1951 F3 marmon herrington
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Be glad, Dave, that the V8 gives you room to Seuss (Gary Sisson's term) your exhaust. On my 215 there was no way to route the exhaust per the factory path without banging on the front differential. After a lot of effort finding the exact M-H bend specs eluded me. Ended up being logical and routing it where it fit. Stu
Factory bend 215 upper pipe.
Logical path.
Factory bend 215 upper pipe.
Logical path.
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Hi Bob, If you head over to the 47 and older forum you'll find a post by GB Sisson(Gary) "Suess Style exhaust" I think it was, talking about his patch work. I haven't done any fix'n on mine yet but it looks like we have a similiar system you and I. Mine is cracked just below the flange on the passenger side like yours was i assume. At least I may be able to template your repair, Stu wasn' so lucky. Dave
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Your diff is on the right side while mine is on the left. Your V8 may allow routing on the normal path. The R32-4 manual lists a special part number for the 215 upper pipe, but no diagram shows it. I even went the the Ford museum research library to see if I could find it with no luck. So we made it work. Stu
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Dave, Mine is an LD7-4 unit. Both the crossover pipe and the exhaust pipe (muffler inlet) were special M-H supplied parts. The bends and routing differ from the original Ford design in order to clear the differential and the transfer case. When I got my truck, it had a tuna fish can lid (held in place with two hose clamps) over the largest leak and over the years I had replaced those a couple of times. The tuna can lid is shown in the picture! Yes, the pipe was cracked where the flanged piece connects to the main pipe, and so thin it kept burning through there. I patched it by welding several times and later tried smearing muffler repair "goop" on it. Finally I took off the old pipe and had a muffler shop bend a new one for me. The bends are off a bit and they forgot to make it 2" longer than the old piece (to make up for me having to saw off the muffler) but I was able to fit it all up. Several years ago, I also had to make up a new repair piece where the exhaust pipe had burned through just ahead of the muffler. I reused that piece and you can see it in the last picture. I ended up reusing the old crossover pipe. I got the idea to go this route after seeing photos of how Mark Mossell (TheChassisMan) built new exhaust for his M-H Ranger. The LD7-4, R32-4, and R3-4 units with the V8 all use the same M-H part numbers for the crossover and the exhaust pipe. I sure like your truck! - Bob
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The M-H manuals state that all parts not assigned a M-H number are standard Ford parts. The exhaust systems were not standard Ford on either the LD7-4/R3-4 trucks or R32-4 trucks, (or others I have manuals for), and thus have part numbers for each component. The V8 trucks have common LD7 numbers that apply to both half and 3/4 ton models. The '51 and earlier six cylinder trucks having the 226 cubic inch engine (exhaust manifold on the right) have 6LD7 numbers. In my September 1952 R32-4 manual a separate listing is shown for the 215 engine trucks that have the exhaust manifold on the left side requiring a cross over pipe to the right side. Unfortunately no schematics are provided. I know Chuck has sorted out the V8 components, but mine being the first of the 215 trucks to be brought back to life he had no information. Stu
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Well I got the engine to fire the other day. I was so excited all I could do was walk in circles around the truck for 10 min or so trying to figure out what to do next!!! Now keep in mind that before I tried to start it I had a plan for going forward all mapped out depending on if it fired or if it didn't. As soon as I realized that this thing wanted to start and run I completely forgot what to do next...I plead "temporary insanity". The curtain has fallen and time has passed and I decided against a temporary fuel tank to get it running " right now" and opted to do some more prep to the motor to protect it a little better for first start up. Meanwhile the fuel system will get some much needed attention. The gas tank still had about 4 gallons of what they called gas back in 1976!!! Not so much today...it looks like a new tank is in order. I checked into having it cleaned and pressure checked but as it turns out I can buy a new one for less money. So my question is, are all the new tanks being offered out there good quality or should some be avoided? Thanks for any input.
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I have no deep insights on this, but will guess that any new tank from any vendor will have arrived on the same boat from the same far eastern source. Whether the metal is up to Henry standards can be debated. I haven't gotten there yet on a truck, but in my prior Brit life cleaned and coated two cars with good results. I have several tanks from donor trucks so hope I can use one of them. Stu
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Congrats! That first fire is so exciting.
I checked on getting my tank cleaned and also figured it was money ahead to get a new one. For my 55 I opted for the steel tank vs. poly (steel was cheaper and holds two more gallons). I believe all the tanks are the same as Stu said. I'm very happy with my tank. I'm not sure what options you will have.
I also replaced all the fuel lines. Now I'm confident of a clean system.
I checked on getting my tank cleaned and also figured it was money ahead to get a new one. For my 55 I opted for the steel tank vs. poly (steel was cheaper and holds two more gallons). I believe all the tanks are the same as Stu said. I'm very happy with my tank. I'm not sure what options you will have.
I also replaced all the fuel lines. Now I'm confident of a clean system.
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Thanks guys for the replies. When I looked inside my tank it didn't seem bad at all too me, clean and shiny for as far as I could tell.Some spotty varnishing and a darkish trail of residue left behind from pouring out the old gas. My initial thoughts were " Wow, not bad, a good cleaning and I should be good to go!" so I think before I order a new tank I will make sure mine is for sure junk or not. I'm not under the gun so I have time to do some research on cleaning and inspecting properly.