I have fords sitting all over my place from gas engines to two international powerstrokes. Ford is ruining the super duty by mfg power strokes and 650-750 in Pancho Villa land! $9000 separates diesel vs gas which is a premium price, but in Mexico they pay those people cheap wages for stuff that is not built very well. What I ironic it was not long ago that a power stroke was a 4k option but built in america by international which still produces max force 7 which is 6.4. When I went to order a new dump truck I did not like the fact that 6.7 was made in mexico and it was a 9k option, salesman told me it was odd that order ing a gas dump truck,but like I told him 9k is too much and second it was made in mexico. I agree with trump,tax the hell out of ford till they bring back where it needs to be

 

Ford is selling these diesel trucks as fast as they can build them because not enough people care about the origins of their parts contents.

I like your thinking sir, $9K can buy a lot of gas and maintenance. Only if more people felt this way.

 

While sympathetic I disagree:

If that production was returned to America it'd be an additional $1K (thanks to Unions) and 5% of them would have a quality related problem.
Letting big business do what's best for them is best for the consumers.

And I'm one of those who lost a job to overseas production (2006).

 

I can understand the argument that the workers are cheaper in Mexico, but you really believe they are better workers?
You mean you would prefer a car built by them even if it cost more because it would be a better car?
I have to disagree with that. US auto workers are putting out plenty of quality vehicles in US factories for Honda, Toyota, Ford, GM, etc. Don't confuse design problems with manufacturing quality.
Quality is not the driving force for companies to move manufacturing to Mexico, sorry.

 

Don't get me wrong I love my 6.0 and 6.4 power stroke and I love how a diesel pulls. American s do thee best build and no it mexico! I am sick and tired of companies selling us out! Henry ford looked out His office and noticed his workers could not afford his cars so he doubled the wages. We now have 60-70 k trucks if all high paying jobs is no longer here who can afford them! I am a wealthy man but at 60k I would just go out and buy one unless it makes me money! I have both gas and diesel in my company and it is less expensive going gas, my book s do not lie.

 

I will NEVER buy a new truck from Ford, Chevy or any other manufacturer for that matter. They think we fall prey to their pricing out of necessity. They must have forgotten that there is a thriving used truck market that they left us with by making the 6.0L somewhat problematic. Right now, I can find an average mile, 2005+ 6.0L F350 DRW CCLB for under $15k, drop $800 bulletproofing it myself, and have a very capable truck for less than 1/3 the price of new.

 

The price of new trucks, while nose bleed high, has not topped out yet. I was reading something the other day, I think on RV Business and it said the truck manufacturers still intended to increase prices further as they did not feel they had reached the ceiling yet! Given sales are in the sky and they are a virtual cash cow, why not?

Steve

 

Stop feeding the troll...

 

My comment was not intended to be negative. Companies are in business to make money and Ford is no exception. I just found it interesting that although we often discuss the cost of new trucks, it seems the price ceiling may go still higher.

I also read, I think in Auto Week (may not have the name exactly right) that in 2017 the engine options will be the 6.7 and an ecoboost in the Super Duties with the current gasser option going away. We have been shopping a new 250 gasser and may move ahead with that before the 2017s come out.

I also see that Ford is considering bringing back both the Ranger and the Bronco to fill market niches below the F150.

It's interesting to follow the business behind selling trucks.

Steve

 

I don't think he's trolling Chris. He's posting an opinion and others have done so as well. He didn't talk smack about the engine, just where it originates from.

 

I spent 45k on 4x4 f 350 dump truck, I still own a 1994 f super duty with a 460 and it has 420k miles and still does not burn oil.the only reason I bought this dump truck new is because used ones was priced at 30 k with over 100k miles. I go it the 6.2 gas and it does great, it is almost as strong as my 6.0 power stroke. I have a 2010 king ranch crew cab dually. A new one just like mine is cost 72k, I bought mine when it was 2 years old for 32k and 50k miles. Hell a f150 now is 60k. It would be hard to justify a new truck unless it makes money

 

I have friends that are union auto workers, when it comes to politics and the wages they deserve its like talking to a socialist automiton. He worked for Chrysler at the now closed St.louis plant, those guys cost themselves their jobs by wanting more more more. Seriously he had a fold up chair, a stereo, and a TV at his work station/spot on the line. They got so many breaks it was reduculous. Sonething like 10 minutes every hour, then their 30 minute lunch. So in an 8 hr day they did around 6 hrs and 10 minutes of work. All the while wanting more pay. This mentality of my big wealthy company makes so much money and i want more of it is killing us. In Japan if an auto plant falls behind the workers will stay over on their own accord without OT pay to help the company catch up, they will go in on weekends without pay on their own. They are happy to have jobs and take pride in how their company is doing. My grandpa grew up in the depression, his work ethic was passed to my father and to me. People need to be happy to have a good job with good benefitscand stop screaming for more when they akready have great pay to begin with. If we can ever get back to that then we will be able to rebuild detroit.

Now as far as quality, i would rather have a house in Texas built by mexicans than a house in St.louis built by union carpenters. I used to be a union carpenter up here, ive seen houses built in Texas where im moving. I gotta say, those 12 an hr mexicans build a far nicer house than the 36 hr union carpenters up here.

 

The Ford 6.7L is assembled in Mexico and is an $8480 option in a base truck offering.

The GM 6.6L D-Max is a $7195 offering and is built in Moraine, Oh.

As for the domestic parts content of each, who knows. So why is the D-max nearly $1300 less and it's built with union labor.

 

Good point!

 

Maybe because of it's older design and older tooling being built in an established plant. I believe Isuzu had a lot do do with the basic architecture of the design then GM took it from there.

If GM had to design and engineer a new diesel from scratch, like Ford did with the 6.7, it would have to cost more so they could recoup all of the expenses involved.

Plus with a foreign plant there are no UAW, OSHA, EPA etc to deal with. The union and regulatory agencies probably have more to do with why trucks are about 40-50% more expensive today than they were 10 years ago.