Power Steering Pump Refill - Type F ATF or ESW-M2C128-B PS Fluid
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Power Steering Pump Refill - Type F ATF or ESW-M2C128-B PS Fluid
I've googled it and searched this site and I cannot find a definitive answer.
In my 1975 F350 (460) I had to pull my PS pump to swap out my fuel pump. I've put it all back together and now I need to know what to put in the PS pump. The owners manual only mentions topping up and identifiesESW-M2C128-B (of which I cannot find any PS fluid that seems to identify that code number. Lots of web discussions mention ESW-M2C128-C or D, but the PS fluids don't list this anywhere). The dipstick in the (what appears to be replacement) PS pump simply states "Use approved Ford fluid", The Haynes manual doesn't mention anything at all. When I drained the PS pump, everything that came out was red which tells me it was filled with ATF previously. Based on what I have been able to find, Type F was what was used on Fords of the period.
So this leaves me asking what the hell do I refill this thing with? If it was ATF in there previously, and I find and put in the correct PS fluid, will the mixing be a problem? If I put in Type F, and the previous owner put in Mercon/Dextron, will the mixing of these be a problem?
I'm leaning towards type F, but I'd like some opinions of folks who have been through this.
Thanks,
In my 1975 F350 (460) I had to pull my PS pump to swap out my fuel pump. I've put it all back together and now I need to know what to put in the PS pump. The owners manual only mentions topping up and identifiesESW-M2C128-B (of which I cannot find any PS fluid that seems to identify that code number. Lots of web discussions mention ESW-M2C128-C or D, but the PS fluids don't list this anywhere). The dipstick in the (what appears to be replacement) PS pump simply states "Use approved Ford fluid", The Haynes manual doesn't mention anything at all. When I drained the PS pump, everything that came out was red which tells me it was filled with ATF previously. Based on what I have been able to find, Type F was what was used on Fords of the period.
So this leaves me asking what the hell do I refill this thing with? If it was ATF in there previously, and I find and put in the correct PS fluid, will the mixing be a problem? If I put in Type F, and the previous owner put in Mercon/Dextron, will the mixing of these be a problem?
I'm leaning towards type F, but I'd like some opinions of folks who have been through this.
Thanks,
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Type F
Its getting harder to find, or they are re-labeling the oil or something. I purchased some a few months back, and if I remember right, I had to buy Dextron F or something, I cant remember how it was labeled? I couldn't find the old usual "type F" on the shelf??? WTF? The parts counter dude said they didn't make "type F" anymore? I new he didn't know what he was talking about. I looked a little closer and found it.
Anyone else run into this?? maybe its just that particular parts place I go to sometimes...
Its getting harder to find, or they are re-labeling the oil or something. I purchased some a few months back, and if I remember right, I had to buy Dextron F or something, I cant remember how it was labeled? I couldn't find the old usual "type F" on the shelf??? WTF? The parts counter dude said they didn't make "type F" anymore? I new he didn't know what he was talking about. I looked a little closer and found it.
Anyone else run into this?? maybe its just that particular parts place I go to sometimes...
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D-E-X-R-O-N
There is no T in Dexron. It's not electronic.
Both the power steering system and the automatic transmission are hydraulic systems and use hydraulic fluid. Automatic transmissions have clutches and the friction characteristics of the fluid matter more.
I'd go with Dexron/Mercon whichever number is readily available in your local Walmart.
Or ask an Amsoil dealer for some personalized advice.
R.
There is no T in Dexron. It's not electronic.
Both the power steering system and the automatic transmission are hydraulic systems and use hydraulic fluid. Automatic transmissions have clutches and the friction characteristics of the fluid matter more.
I'd go with Dexron/Mercon whichever number is readily available in your local Walmart.
Or ask an Amsoil dealer for some personalized advice.
R.
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Type F Its getting harder to find, or they are re-labeling the oil or something. I purchased some a few months back, and if I remember right, I had to buy Dextron F or something, I cant remember how it was labeled? I couldn't find the old usual "type F" on the shelf??? WTF? The parts counter dude said they didn't make "type F" anymore? I new he didn't know what he was talking about. I looked a little closer and found it. Anyone else run into this?? maybe its just that particular parts place I go to sometimes...
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Some guys run it in their oil right before an oil change, i ran it for 3000 miles. third or fourth oil change, i had no more sludge.
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no smoking at all. it is a trick I learned on this forum. cleans better than "fuel cleaners", and is cheaper. I live in a smog state, so any way to keep the emissions from building up is good.
Some guys run it in their oil right before an oil change, i ran it for 3000 miles. third or fourth oil change, i had no more sludge.
Some guys run it in their oil right before an oil change, i ran it for 3000 miles. third or fourth oil change, i had no more sludge.
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I believe it's the parts place you went to. My local autozone and O'Reilly have TYPE F in stock. Have had it for years and will continue to have it in stock. I worked at O'Reilly up until a couple of months ago and never had any type of knockoff for Type F. It was always clearly labeled "Type F" in the O'Reilly brand or Valvoline.
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I'm unsure what anyone else carries besides house brand. I know for a fact the Oreilly in my town has Valvoline. I'd imagine majority of Oreillys had them in stock at one point in time. It may be a "non-stock" item now but sometimes items stay at the store from when it was a "stock" item but is sitting in the back instead of out front for everyone to see. You may have to ask if there's other brands.
#14
Great question. I've heard and read that mercon should be used after a rebuild but I'm not too familiar with that. I'm still running fine on my 79 C6 and haven't had to get it rebuilt. I wanna say mercon is the way to go but don't take my word alone on that.
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