Split rim to tubeless rim conversion
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I would like to keep it as close to stock as possible. Having said that I prefer the look of a steel box. I'm considering my options and comparing costs of a steel box vs rebuilding the wooden box.
I am currently searching for used rims to replace the 2 piece original rims. I will switch to dualies only if I have to.
To sum up, original is best - except for the wheels, but if modifying makes more sense and is economical, I'm listening.
I am currently searching for used rims to replace the 2 piece original rims. I will switch to dualies only if I have to.
To sum up, original is best - except for the wheels, but if modifying makes more sense and is economical, I'm listening.
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No matter whether you stay with the stake bed (easiest and best, imho), or find a correct '48-'52 8' Express pickup bed/tailgate/running boards set (really hard to find in good shape, down here anyway), the wheel options are the same.
The widow maker two piece 17" wheels on your truck now are Budd #49380. You'll find that number on them. They are 17" x 5.5" wide. They came with 7.50-17" tires having a 34" outside diameter. Their use was originally necessitated on the F-3/F-68/M-68 models because the rear brake drums have a 14" diameter that more common 16" wheels won't clear.
There are two tubeless alternatives that we've found. They are either a 19.5" x 5.25" (Budd 71410), or 17.5" x 5.25" (either Budd 70720 or 73240, same in every way to my eye). The 19.5" is the direct replacement for the 17" widow maker. An 8-19.5" bias ply tire has a 34" diameter, or 8R19.5" radial measures about 33.5" tall. The 17.5" uses an 8-17.5" bias ply/8R17.5" radial tire that measures about 31.5" - 32" tall. The 17.5s will yield minor speedometer error and slightly reduced road speed. Both allow use of stock hub caps.
Both tubeless sizes were first available in 1956 on Ford F-250s, and Dodge and Studebaker 3/4 ton models. Chevy and GMC models got similar Kelsey-Hayes sizes, but they won't accept your stock hub caps. And iirc have a smaller center hole diameter that makes use on the rear of your truck a problem. I know of an available set of the 19.5" Budd 71410s, and can check with friends on the 17.5s if you want.
A third alternative that I haven't yet found details and numbers on are 17" tubeless wheels used on Dodge 3/4 ton models up to the present, or at least up to recent years. Dodge continued use of the 8 lug x 6.5" bolt pattern much longer than did Ford. These wheels will be much wider, my guess 7" or 8", and will not accept stock hub caps. Their use could result in rubbing on the front at the extremes of the turning radius.
If none of these options appeal, the other common fix is to replace the Timken model 51524 rear axle with a Dana 60 axle from a 1972 or earlier F-250. These have 12" drums that will accept any common 16" wheel, and offer more friendly final drive ratios for modern road conditions. And if you want to get real tricky, we can talk about the use of a period correct USA spec Ford F-2 complete Timken, or at least their 12" brake and wheel end components. The F-2 model was not available in Canada. Finding one of those axles might take some detective work.
Either your Timken, or the USA spec F-2, will likely have the stock 4.86/1 final drive ratio. A 4.11/1 was optional, but is very rarely found. Chuck Mantiglia of Chuck's Trucks in CT has engineered reproduction 4.11/1 sets at reasonable cost. I have his sets in my truck. Below is a link to Chuck's web site. Stu
Chucks Trucks LLC., Chuck's Trucks, Chucks Trucks
The widow maker two piece 17" wheels on your truck now are Budd #49380. You'll find that number on them. They are 17" x 5.5" wide. They came with 7.50-17" tires having a 34" outside diameter. Their use was originally necessitated on the F-3/F-68/M-68 models because the rear brake drums have a 14" diameter that more common 16" wheels won't clear.
There are two tubeless alternatives that we've found. They are either a 19.5" x 5.25" (Budd 71410), or 17.5" x 5.25" (either Budd 70720 or 73240, same in every way to my eye). The 19.5" is the direct replacement for the 17" widow maker. An 8-19.5" bias ply tire has a 34" diameter, or 8R19.5" radial measures about 33.5" tall. The 17.5" uses an 8-17.5" bias ply/8R17.5" radial tire that measures about 31.5" - 32" tall. The 17.5s will yield minor speedometer error and slightly reduced road speed. Both allow use of stock hub caps.
Both tubeless sizes were first available in 1956 on Ford F-250s, and Dodge and Studebaker 3/4 ton models. Chevy and GMC models got similar Kelsey-Hayes sizes, but they won't accept your stock hub caps. And iirc have a smaller center hole diameter that makes use on the rear of your truck a problem. I know of an available set of the 19.5" Budd 71410s, and can check with friends on the 17.5s if you want.
A third alternative that I haven't yet found details and numbers on are 17" tubeless wheels used on Dodge 3/4 ton models up to the present, or at least up to recent years. Dodge continued use of the 8 lug x 6.5" bolt pattern much longer than did Ford. These wheels will be much wider, my guess 7" or 8", and will not accept stock hub caps. Their use could result in rubbing on the front at the extremes of the turning radius.
If none of these options appeal, the other common fix is to replace the Timken model 51524 rear axle with a Dana 60 axle from a 1972 or earlier F-250. These have 12" drums that will accept any common 16" wheel, and offer more friendly final drive ratios for modern road conditions. And if you want to get real tricky, we can talk about the use of a period correct USA spec Ford F-2 complete Timken, or at least their 12" brake and wheel end components. The F-2 model was not available in Canada. Finding one of those axles might take some detective work.
Either your Timken, or the USA spec F-2, will likely have the stock 4.86/1 final drive ratio. A 4.11/1 was optional, but is very rarely found. Chuck Mantiglia of Chuck's Trucks in CT has engineered reproduction 4.11/1 sets at reasonable cost. I have his sets in my truck. Below is a link to Chuck's web site. Stu
Chucks Trucks LLC., Chuck's Trucks, Chucks Trucks
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I'm also having this debate.
I found this wheels and tires that some chevy guys are using in the 3/4 ton trucks:
Dexstar Conventional Steel Wheel w/ +0.5" Offset - 16" x 6" Rim - 8 on 6-1/2 - Black Dexstar Tires and Wheels AM20766
With these tires from the same company:
https://www.etrailer.com/p-AM10418.html
The only drawback is that they wont accept the stock hubcaps and someone mentioned that these are made overseas (what isn't? )
I can get a set of tires and wheels for less than a set of tires for my 17.5 from cocker.
I found this wheels and tires that some chevy guys are using in the 3/4 ton trucks:
Dexstar Conventional Steel Wheel w/ +0.5" Offset - 16" x 6" Rim - 8 on 6-1/2 - Black Dexstar Tires and Wheels AM20766
With these tires from the same company:
https://www.etrailer.com/p-AM10418.html
The only drawback is that they wont accept the stock hubcaps and someone mentioned that these are made overseas (what isn't? )
I can get a set of tires and wheels for less than a set of tires for my 17.5 from cocker.
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