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Old 07-09-2015, 06:28 PM
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50s COE - Hoping you folks can steer me straight

Hello all
Two questions here. First, I am trying to identify the truck I just picked up. Serial numbers stamped into the frame is O1T 5028A MC

Also... I am trying to find 20 inch 5 bolt dually rims for it... any suggestions??

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I bought this thing to build as a car hauler for my 1953 ford sedan delivery, and my 1953 meteor sedan delivery


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Welcome to FTE the best darn place for info, help and support with this old Ford trucks.
The O1T 5028A is NOT the serial number, it is the part number of the #3 or #4 frame crossmembers. The Serial number should be located on the passenger side frame rail, on a COE it will be very near the firewall or possibly under the cab.

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Do a search on here for "widowmaker truckdog" and you will learn all about the wheels and the available replacements.
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Boy is that an ambitious project. As Joe said you will want to learn about widow maker 20" wheels. Trade name for the outer rims, that very few shops will touch anymore, is Firestone RH-5°. The pictured wheel on your left front is a widow maker, no doubt the other side is too. In a way you have an advantage not having any wheels on the rear.

Being that you live north of the border I think you will be on your own doing yard searches for the "safe" used 19.5" or 22.5" tubeless wheels. Same would apply to the better, but not totally without danger, locking ring/side ring style 20" tube types. I'm not aware of any Canadian members who have a line on used sets. As Joe suggested, there has been a lot said on this subject that you can Google.

Since you intend to use the truck to carry your cars, you might be ahead to look into new 22.5s that are now available. I'm not sure if the Les Schwab or Commercial Tire companies serve Canada, but certainly a company exists in your area that can provide you guidance. Yesterday I spoke with Sean at American Wheel Speciaist in Pasco, WA, on a different subject but took the opportunity to ask about these 22.5s. He confirmed my understanding that they have 6.75" wide rims, and are readily available. They won't look exactly like original wheels, having a wider and flatter face, but they are factory new and DOT approved for highway service. Hope that gives you somewhere to start. Stu
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Thank you for your help... There is no engine in the thing so I have easy access to that part of the frame rail... When I have the opportunity I will get a wire brush on it to clean it up a bit.

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Welcome to FTE! The COE's are pretty cool.
Be sure to take lots of pictures and keep us informed of your progress.
On your sedan delivery's, is that their current state? What are your plans for them?

Stu, I have often wondered about widowmaker replacements. Most of the talk is about doing yard searches. What is up with the new 22.5s you mention? Do you have pictures? I understand wanting to stay as original as possible, but these new ones can't look too bad and the struggles you guys go through to find he safe original looking rims is daunting. I mean at some time you and Josh are going to have rounded up the last of these and the new ones will be the only option.
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Stu, I'm almost afraid to ask, but what was the price on those 22.5's?
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My northwest source already seems to have dried up. Then there's all you enterprising guys that do your own CL searches. There seems to be more and more WTB CL ads that contain some very specific descriptions and Budd part numbers. Earlier this week there was a set listed a short drive from our son Michael. I saw the ad three hours after being posted. Texted Michael, he replied to the seller, and was told they'd been sold.

The factory new 19.5s and 22.5s look the same. They have a wider face that is no doubt intended to give space for disc brake calipers. Here are pics of the 19.5s. I don't have a pic of the 22.5, but it looks the same. These are imported from Turkey and are I believe also available from other companies in the U.S. The company that comes to mind is Wheels Now in Milwaukee. The 19.5" offered by Wheels Now even has the old Budd 89340 part number!




In my conversation with Sean yesterday we also talked about the custom 22.5s they can build using new 22.5" x 6.75" rims mated to old 20" widow maker centers. These would look exactly like original old 22.5s with the added benefit of the 6.75" rim so seldom found on old originals. He stressed that the donor widow makers need to be the wider variety, I'd suggest 6.00" wide, to ensure there is enough dual wheel spacing without risk of tires rubbing or need for a spacer between the wheels. Stu

Edit Joe - I didn't ask for current pricing of either 19.5" or 22.5" new wheels, or of the customs. Stu
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The 53 Ford delivery is 'as pictured'. I am currently working on the 53 Meteor. So far i have replaced the firewall/toeboards and this weekend will be putting it back on the frame to align it.

Once on the frame, I will replace the under floor supports and the floorboards. Once I am sure all is aligned properly, I will take it off the frame again to sandblast.


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Note that the frame serial/ id # will start and end with a "star" character. The stamping is usually not very deep, so be careful not to get carried away cleaning the frame. Do you know if this was a US or CN built truck? Rumor is that CN assembly plants did not always follow the same id protocols as US plants.
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I don't think anyone answered your question about what year your COE is. From the the grille, it would be a 53. I see the hood on the back. If the hood side emblems are in simple block letters, like Ford C-600 then it is a 53 or 54. I doubt grilles or hoods were switched on this old work truck, so I am sure it is a 53.
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Note that the frame serial/ id # will start and end with a "star" character. The stamping is usually not very deep, so be careful not to get carried away cleaning the frame. Do you know if this was a US or CN built truck? Rumor is that CN assembly plants did not always follow the same id protocols as US plants.
I didn't think about that, I've heard that some Canadian trucks have the number on the drivers side.
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Thank you Abe... will be awesome if it is a 53... 53 COE carrying a 53 delivery.... I like the sound of that
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It is either 53 or 54 It is hard to see any points that determine besides the title and vin Your wheels will be 5 lug 8 inch bolt pattern and finding wheels is almost impossible but you do have options. Where are you located and what kind of motor trans and plans do you have for it.
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In my conversation with Sean yesterday we also talked about the custom 22.5s they can build using new 22.5" x 6.75" rims mated to old 20" widow maker centers. These would look exactly like original old 22.5s with the added benefit of the 6.75" rim so seldom found on old originals. He stressed that the donor widow makers need to be the wider variety, I'd suggest 6.00" wide, to ensure there is enough dual wheel spacing without risk of tires rubbing or need for a spacer between the wheels. Stu
Stu, Do you know if American Wheel is looking for or needing donor WM's for the conversion? I've got a few I need to be rid of taking up valuable real estate. They're from 51 and 52 F6's. Would these be the wider ones in question?
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Wayne - F-6s would be most likely to have the 6.00" wide rim since that is the spec for an 8.25" tire that would have come on F-6s. When I visited AWS years ago they seemed to have a yard supply of donor wheels, but we've now come through the bubble in steel prices that cleaned out a lot of yards, and I can see how they could have used up a stock pile. Since you live close it can't hurt to ask. I have to call Sean back about my other question, so will bring it up. Stu
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