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Here are some setting that I have. MAP in PSI is there. By naming things #FTE_ they come to the top of the selection list. This csv file can be put in a folder on torque and then imported into a profile. I will say that I didn't verify that this file is the one that's on the table, use at your own risk.
What would be good is if we could have a sticky thread that has a file like this that's updated and maintained by the group....
Name,"ShortName","ModeAndPID","Equation","Min Value","Max Value","Units","Header"
#FTE_Manifold Air TemperatureRAW,"MATR","2216E0","A",-10,250,"NUM","C410F1"
#FTE_Intake Air TemperatureRAW,"IATR","2216A8","((A*256)+B)",0,60, "NUM",Auto
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureRAW,"EOTR","221310","((A*256)+B)",0.0,2 50.0,"NUM","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Fluid TemperatureRAW,"TFRT","221674","((A*256)+B)/8",0,250,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Manifold Air Temperature,"MAT","2216E0","A*(9/5)-38",-10,250,"°F","C410F1"
#FTE_Intake Air Temperature,"IAT","2216A8","(((A*256)+B)-32)*(5/9)",0,60,"°C",Auto
#FTE_Engine Oil Temperature,"EOT","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°C","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureV2,"EOTV2","221310","(((((A*256)+B)/100)-40)*1.80)+32",0.0,250.0,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureF,"EOTf","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureC,"EOTc","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°C","Auto"
#FTE_Barometer,"BARO","221442","((A*256)+B)*0.0362 5",10,15,"PSI","C410F1"
#FTE_Manifold Absolute Pressure,"MAP","221440","((A*256)+B)*0.03625",0,45 ,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Manifold Gauge Pressure,"Boost","221440","(((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]",0.0,30.0,PSI,"Auto"
#FTE_Exhaust Back Pressure (Absolute),"EBP","221445","((A*256)+B)*0.03625",0. 0,55.0,PSI,"Auto"
#FTE_Exhaust Gauge Pressure,"EGP","221445","(((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]",0.0,30.0,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Fuel Injector Pulse Width,"FIPW","221410","((A*256)+B)*.008",0.0,6.0,m s,"Auto"
#FTE_Injector Control Pressure,"ICP","221446","((A*256)+B)*.57",0.0,3000 .0,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Injector Pressure Regulator (Injector Control Pressure Duty Cycle),"IPR","221434","A*0.39063",0.0,100.0,"%","A uto"
#FTE_Torque Converter Slip,"Slip","2211b8","((A*256)+B)/4",0.0,1000.0,"RPM","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Fluid Temperature,"TFT","221674","((A*256)+B)/8",0,250,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Gear,"Gear","2211b3","A/2",0,4,"Gear","Auto"
#FTE_Altitude,"Alt","221442","(14.7-(((A*256)+B)*0.03625))*2143",0,10000,"ft.",C410F1
What would be good is if we could have a sticky thread that has a file like this that's updated and maintained by the group....
Name,"ShortName","ModeAndPID","Equation","Min Value","Max Value","Units","Header"
#FTE_Manifold Air TemperatureRAW,"MATR","2216E0","A",-10,250,"NUM","C410F1"
#FTE_Intake Air TemperatureRAW,"IATR","2216A8","((A*256)+B)",0,60, "NUM",Auto
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureRAW,"EOTR","221310","((A*256)+B)",0.0,2 50.0,"NUM","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Fluid TemperatureRAW,"TFRT","221674","((A*256)+B)/8",0,250,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Manifold Air Temperature,"MAT","2216E0","A*(9/5)-38",-10,250,"°F","C410F1"
#FTE_Intake Air Temperature,"IAT","2216A8","(((A*256)+B)-32)*(5/9)",0,60,"°C",Auto
#FTE_Engine Oil Temperature,"EOT","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°C","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureV2,"EOTV2","221310","(((((A*256)+B)/100)-40)*1.80)+32",0.0,250.0,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureF,"EOTf","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureC,"EOTc","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°C","Auto"
#FTE_Barometer,"BARO","221442","((A*256)+B)*0.0362 5",10,15,"PSI","C410F1"
#FTE_Manifold Absolute Pressure,"MAP","221440","((A*256)+B)*0.03625",0,45 ,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Manifold Gauge Pressure,"Boost","221440","(((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]",0.0,30.0,PSI,"Auto"
#FTE_Exhaust Back Pressure (Absolute),"EBP","221445","((A*256)+B)*0.03625",0. 0,55.0,PSI,"Auto"
#FTE_Exhaust Gauge Pressure,"EGP","221445","(((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]",0.0,30.0,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Fuel Injector Pulse Width,"FIPW","221410","((A*256)+B)*.008",0.0,6.0,m s,"Auto"
#FTE_Injector Control Pressure,"ICP","221446","((A*256)+B)*.57",0.0,3000 .0,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Injector Pressure Regulator (Injector Control Pressure Duty Cycle),"IPR","221434","A*0.39063",0.0,100.0,"%","A uto"
#FTE_Torque Converter Slip,"Slip","2211b8","((A*256)+B)/4",0.0,1000.0,"RPM","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Fluid Temperature,"TFT","221674","((A*256)+B)/8",0,250,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Gear,"Gear","2211b3","A/2",0,4,"Gear","Auto"
#FTE_Altitude,"Alt","221442","(14.7-(((A*256)+B)*0.03625))*2143",0,10000,"ft.",C410F1
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Here are some setting that I have. MAP in PSI is there. By naming things #FTE_ they come to the top of the selection list. This csv file can be put in a folder on torque and then imported into a profile. I will say that I didn't verify that this file is the one that's on the table, use at your own risk.
What would be good is if we could have a sticky thread that has a file like this that's updated and maintained by the group....
Name,"ShortName","ModeAndPID","Equation","Min Value","Max Value","Units","Header"
#FTE_Manifold Air TemperatureRAW,"MATR","2216E0","A",-10,250,"NUM","C410F1"
#FTE_Intake Air TemperatureRAW,"IATR","2216A8","((A*256)+B)",0,60, "NUM",Auto
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureRAW,"EOTR","221310","((A*256)+B)",0.0,2 50.0,"NUM","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Fluid TemperatureRAW,"TFRT","221674","((A*256)+B)/8",0,250,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Manifold Air Temperature,"MAT","2216E0","A*(9/5)-38",-10,250,"°F","C410F1"
#FTE_Intake Air Temperature,"IAT","2216A8","(((A*256)+B)-32)*(5/9)",0,60,"°C",Auto
#FTE_Engine Oil Temperature,"EOT","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°C","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureV2,"EOTV2","221310","(((((A*256)+B)/100)-40)*1.80)+32",0.0,250.0,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureF,"EOTf","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureC,"EOTc","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°C","Auto"
#FTE_Barometer,"BARO","221442","((A*256)+B)*0.0362 5",10,15,"PSI","C410F1"
#FTE_Manifold Absolute Pressure,"MAP","221440","((A*256)+B)*0.03625",0,45 ,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Manifold Gauge Pressure,"Boost","221440","(((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]",0.0,30.0,PSI,"Auto"
#FTE_Exhaust Back Pressure (Absolute),"EBP","221445","((A*256)+B)*0.03625",0. 0,55.0,PSI,"Auto"
#FTE_Exhaust Gauge Pressure,"EGP","221445","(((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]",0.0,30.0,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Fuel Injector Pulse Width,"FIPW","221410","((A*256)+B)*.008",0.0,6.0,m s,"Auto"
#FTE_Injector Control Pressure,"ICP","221446","((A*256)+B)*.57",0.0,3000 .0,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Injector Pressure Regulator (Injector Control Pressure Duty Cycle),"IPR","221434","A*0.39063",0.0,100.0,"%","A uto"
#FTE_Torque Converter Slip,"Slip","2211b8","((A*256)+B)/4",0.0,1000.0,"RPM","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Fluid Temperature,"TFT","221674","((A*256)+B)/8",0,250,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Gear,"Gear","2211b3","A/2",0,4,"Gear","Auto"
#FTE_Altitude,"Alt","221442","(14.7-(((A*256)+B)*0.03625))*2143",0,10000,"ft.",C410F1
What would be good is if we could have a sticky thread that has a file like this that's updated and maintained by the group....
Name,"ShortName","ModeAndPID","Equation","Min Value","Max Value","Units","Header"
#FTE_Manifold Air TemperatureRAW,"MATR","2216E0","A",-10,250,"NUM","C410F1"
#FTE_Intake Air TemperatureRAW,"IATR","2216A8","((A*256)+B)",0,60, "NUM",Auto
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureRAW,"EOTR","221310","((A*256)+B)",0.0,2 50.0,"NUM","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Fluid TemperatureRAW,"TFRT","221674","((A*256)+B)/8",0,250,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Manifold Air Temperature,"MAT","2216E0","A*(9/5)-38",-10,250,"°F","C410F1"
#FTE_Intake Air Temperature,"IAT","2216A8","(((A*256)+B)-32)*(5/9)",0,60,"°C",Auto
#FTE_Engine Oil Temperature,"EOT","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°C","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureV2,"EOTV2","221310","(((((A*256)+B)/100)-40)*1.80)+32",0.0,250.0,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureF,"EOTf","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Engine Oil TemperatureC,"EOTc","221310","(((A*256)+B)/100)-40",0.0,250.0,"°C","Auto"
#FTE_Barometer,"BARO","221442","((A*256)+B)*0.0362 5",10,15,"PSI","C410F1"
#FTE_Manifold Absolute Pressure,"MAP","221440","((A*256)+B)*0.03625",0,45 ,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Manifold Gauge Pressure,"Boost","221440","(((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]",0.0,30.0,PSI,"Auto"
#FTE_Exhaust Back Pressure (Absolute),"EBP","221445","((A*256)+B)*0.03625",0. 0,55.0,PSI,"Auto"
#FTE_Exhaust Gauge Pressure,"EGP","221445","(((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]",0.0,30.0,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Fuel Injector Pulse Width,"FIPW","221410","((A*256)+B)*.008",0.0,6.0,m s,"Auto"
#FTE_Injector Control Pressure,"ICP","221446","((A*256)+B)*.57",0.0,3000 .0,"PSI","Auto"
#FTE_Injector Pressure Regulator (Injector Control Pressure Duty Cycle),"IPR","221434","A*0.39063",0.0,100.0,"%","A uto"
#FTE_Torque Converter Slip,"Slip","2211b8","((A*256)+B)/4",0.0,1000.0,"RPM","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Fluid Temperature,"TFT","221674","((A*256)+B)/8",0,250,"°F","Auto"
#FTE_Transmission Gear,"Gear","2211b3","A/2",0,4,"Gear","Auto"
#FTE_Altitude,"Alt","221442","(14.7-(((A*256)+B)*0.03625))*2143",0,10000,"ft.",C410F1
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Problem pics!
A little help from friends (special shout out to Rich- White Buffalo for his call and help) and look what we found
A pic of the exhaust side of the turbo. Firewall behind, hood above, wastegate actuator arm in the foreground.
See the problem?
How about now?
Erratic EBP, but smooth transitioning (not like interference), FIPW right about 3.0, IPR/ICP/RPM/MPH all steady, just not enough power like it should be making and terrible MPG.
EBP at KOEO seems okay and close enough to BARO and MAP.
A leak at the Uppipes Notice the soot on the clamp?
So that will be on the agenda this week. We had the turbo off a couple of times when the wastegate went hinky. And it was H-O-T!!!
I didn't charge my buddy for the suntan he surely got that night
It's this kind of help and results that really makes me want to help with the PID 3D (Diesel Data Dump) project these guys are working on to help others
A pic of the exhaust side of the turbo. Firewall behind, hood above, wastegate actuator arm in the foreground.
See the problem?
How about now?
Erratic EBP, but smooth transitioning (not like interference), FIPW right about 3.0, IPR/ICP/RPM/MPH all steady, just not enough power like it should be making and terrible MPG.
EBP at KOEO seems okay and close enough to BARO and MAP.
A leak at the Uppipes Notice the soot on the clamp?
So that will be on the agenda this week. We had the turbo off a couple of times when the wastegate went hinky. And it was H-O-T!!!
I didn't charge my buddy for the suntan he surely got that night
It's this kind of help and results that really makes me want to help with the PID 3D (Diesel Data Dump) project these guys are working on to help others
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I thought I was sure until you asked, LOL.
I can't check until tomorrow. Spring house flooded, spent some time in chest deep water, now waiting for it to fill the holding tank and such so I can prime the lines and get water back to the house.
Passing some time waiting, but can't get dirty or greasy. Oh, and it was raining the whole time and still is. Always an adventure, LOL
I can't check until tomorrow. Spring house flooded, spent some time in chest deep water, now waiting for it to fill the holding tank and such so I can prime the lines and get water back to the house.
Passing some time waiting, but can't get dirty or greasy. Oh, and it was raining the whole time and still is. Always an adventure, LOL
#21
Now that I can see the pictures on a bigger screen than the iPhony, that looks like oil.
I also noticed you're getting over 18 PSI boost now - a big improvement. This is where I suggest you drop the Buck$Zooka and step away... at least for a moment. I noticed a "bouncy EBP craze" has started since I mentioned that observation with my boost leaks on Stinky. I would like to remind everybody that this observation has not been fully fleshed out by confirmation on many trucks with and without leaks. I can say your EBP does not show the same spikes I have seen on trucks with leaks, it's more of a rise and fall than spikes.
I need to really sit down and look at your logs to see if there is anything in there from your assault on the hill, but that would have to be this weekend. Yes... my job has once again allowed me to take time to catch my breath between disasters.
I also noticed you're getting over 18 PSI boost now - a big improvement. This is where I suggest you drop the Buck$Zooka and step away... at least for a moment. I noticed a "bouncy EBP craze" has started since I mentioned that observation with my boost leaks on Stinky. I would like to remind everybody that this observation has not been fully fleshed out by confirmation on many trucks with and without leaks. I can say your EBP does not show the same spikes I have seen on trucks with leaks, it's more of a rise and fall than spikes.
I need to really sit down and look at your logs to see if there is anything in there from your assault on the hill, but that would have to be this weekend. Yes... my job has once again allowed me to take time to catch my breath between disasters.
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Now that I can see the pictures on a bigger screen than the iPhony, that looks like oil.
I also noticed you're getting over 18 PSI boost now - a big improvement. This is where I suggest you drop the Buck$Zooka and step away... at least for a moment. I noticed a "bouncy EBP craze" has started since I mentioned that observation with my boost leaks on Stinky. I would like to remind everybody that this observation has not been fully fleshed out by confirmation on many trucks with and without leaks. I can say your EBP does not show the same spikes I have seen on trucks with leaks, it's more of a rise and fall than spikes.
I need to really sit down and look at your logs to see if there is anything in there from your assault on the hill, but that would have to be this weekend. Yes... my job has once again allowed me to take time to catch my breath between disasters.
I also noticed you're getting over 18 PSI boost now - a big improvement. This is where I suggest you drop the Buck$Zooka and step away... at least for a moment. I noticed a "bouncy EBP craze" has started since I mentioned that observation with my boost leaks on Stinky. I would like to remind everybody that this observation has not been fully fleshed out by confirmation on many trucks with and without leaks. I can say your EBP does not show the same spikes I have seen on trucks with leaks, it's more of a rise and fall than spikes.
I need to really sit down and look at your logs to see if there is anything in there from your assault on the hill, but that would have to be this weekend. Yes... my job has once again allowed me to take time to catch my breath between disasters.
Quick question- Is there a way to monitor when the wastegate is opening? Maybe through the WGC solenoid? A PID of some sort?
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I tried to find this in AE but was not successful. I ended up removing the red hose and capping it off as a test - assuming the WG would always be closed.
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This is what I've gathered from reading, no experience with it yet. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Wastegate Control Solenoid, seen here with the green electrical connector to the right of the green and red lines on the front of the spider, opens (PID for this should be somewhere, right?), which sends psi to the wastegate actuator, which pushes the control arm, which turns the wastegate open against the pressure of a spring.
If the red line is disconnected, the actuator won't get any psi, won't open the wastegate, BUT...the spring must be tight enough to hold the wastegate closed or it will still open.
I read some procedures on setting this spring tension (not sure how?) to hold the WG closed, yet open at a certain pressure for safety.
I would like to get some sort of reading that lets me know when the WGCS gets the signal to open, then see what is happening to the Boost, EBP, etc.
In a case such as my recent issue with the WG not working properly, it could be diagnostic, including for sticky wastegates, etc.
My thinking is if there is a solenoid there, something is controlling it, the computer has to know about it, so we should be able to pull a PID for it?
Edit: Looks like someone has already driven down this road: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...operation.html
Some great info in that post. I'm going to post the same PDF attachment Shake-n-Bake did.
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Leaky followup
The clamp in post #18 above was not tightened. Must've missed it when we were troubleshooting the turbo while it was HOT
MPG immediately jumped 6-8mpg. Still a little on the low power side between 1500rpm and 1900rpm.
It acts like I just put big oversized tires on it. If I hadn't experienced it being better than this, I might have thought this is how it should be
I'll change my EBP tube, clean the sensor, and continue to look for leaks and issues
I gotta get the fuel pressure and EGT gauges installed...
MPG immediately jumped 6-8mpg. Still a little on the low power side between 1500rpm and 1900rpm.
It acts like I just put big oversized tires on it. If I hadn't experienced it being better than this, I might have thought this is how it should be
I'll change my EBP tube, clean the sensor, and continue to look for leaks and issues
I gotta get the fuel pressure and EGT gauges installed...
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Post Exhaust Fix Log
Ask and ye shall receive
Not a full-on WOT run and at a bit slower speeds (note the shift point about 3/4 of the way through), but a much smoother EBP.
I'm sure she isn't perfect. I still "feel" like she is struggling more than she should. I still need to check the brakes to make sure they aren't hanging up. I'm noticing a little pull to the right when braking quickly.
Remember early on I had a smoking rear passenger brake that miraculously healed itself...or maybe not, LOL.
The above run was on my way home last night, after tightening the clamp.
I'll send you the entire file, in case you want to pick through it
The ONLY thing that was done was tightening that clamp, fueling up, and washing the outside.
Not a full-on WOT run and at a bit slower speeds (note the shift point about 3/4 of the way through), but a much smoother EBP.
I'm sure she isn't perfect. I still "feel" like she is struggling more than she should. I still need to check the brakes to make sure they aren't hanging up. I'm noticing a little pull to the right when braking quickly.
Remember early on I had a smoking rear passenger brake that miraculously healed itself...or maybe not, LOL.
The above run was on my way home last night, after tightening the clamp.
I'll send you the entire file, in case you want to pick through it
The ONLY thing that was done was tightening that clamp, fueling up, and washing the outside.
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Looks like a marked improvement John. Check those up-pipe bolts to make sure all is tight. If it was me I would change out the EBP sensor and tube if it is cracked - - but that's just my opinion. Since it sounds like all the other sensors have been recently replace I prefer to finish with a clean plate.
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Looks like a marked improvement John. Check those up-pipe bolts to make sure all is tight. If it was me I would change out the EBP sensor and tube if it is cracked - - but that's just my opinion. Since it sounds like all the other sensors have been recently replace I prefer to finish with a clean plate.
I have a new tube, might just consider a new sensor. As you say, start with all known-good
#30
I looked at that data file you sent yesterday and I see some good lines in there. As you say, this was not WOT... but it all still looks encouraging. One other member that had bouncy EBP finally found soot near the EBPV actuator. The bouncy EBPV is starting to look like a confirmed flashing neon sign for air leaks.