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Here is the info on my truck, posted a few years back. I can only find a plate on my glove compartment door.

F1D2CS17663
The next line on the plate reads:
3 3.92 N 28K CS551-P
trans rear color production code

D = 215 six cyl;
2 = '52;
CS = Chester, PA;
17663 = serial number

3= regular 3 spd;
3.92:1 rear ratio;
color N = Meadow Green;
28K = October 28, 1951 assembly;
CS551-P = Chester, PA assembly

I was also born in Chester, PA so my truck has only gotten about 45 miles away from its birthplace. Its was painted rustoleum red in the 70's, and the 215 was replaced with a later 223. As far I can tell I'm the 3rd owner. I got it in 2006 and it was parked from 1987 until 2006.
 
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Originally Posted by dennisb56
Here is the info on my truck, posted a few years back. I can only find a plate on my glove compartment door.

F1D2CS17663
The next line on the plate reads:
3 3.92 N 28K CS551-P
trans rear color production code

D = 215 six cyl;
2 = '52;
CS = Chester, PA;
17663 = serial number

3= regular 3 spd;
3.92:1 rear ratio;
color N = Meadow Green;
28K = October 28, 1951 assembly;
CS551-P = Chester, PA assembly

I was also born in Chester, PA so my truck has only gotten about 45 miles away from its birthplace. Its was painted rustoleum red in the 70's, and the 215 was replaced with a later 223. As far I can tell I'm the 3rd owner. I got it in 2006 and it was parked from 1987 until 2006.
Thanks Dennis, I have it recorded. I'm sure you know that I am going to ask you to verify the N & meadow green.
 
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Originally Posted by harleymsn
Interesting that so far the color code issue, with the exception of your 52 above is limited to the Twin City (St Paul) plant. Also curious that in the plant code on that truck it has SP in it. Is it possible that part of this truck was done in St Paul and part of it in Detroit? I believe that M-H was in Indianapolis, could the truck had been built in St. Paul, then shipped to M-H and returned to Detroit for some kind of final assembly?
Nope, that's a 2wd donor. All the M-Hs, F-2 and up, started life I think in either HM, CH, LU, or in Windsor. We've had one Merc come to the surface from Windsor. Chuck says some half tons were done as kits and could have been installed on any of the trucks. Stu
 
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Nope, that's a 2wd donor. All the M-Hs, F-2 and up, started life I think in either HM, CH, LU, or in Windsor. We've had one Merc come to the surface from Windsor. Chuck says some half tons were done as kits and could have been installed on any of the trucks. Stu
Well maybe NumberDummy will see this and have some information to add.
 
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Well maybe NumberDummy will see this and have some information to add.
That name is just so wrong for a guy with his knowledge and experience I cringe every time is see it ! I'm sure everyone feels that way also - sorry for the hijack. Have fun
 
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Ok, here are my 2 as requested.

1952(1) F5 Marmon Herrington

Old style glove box plate
F5R1HM48075
Model R18T




Firewall Stamp (kinda hard to make out, but I think this is what it says)
10HM 21F 115


And the M-H plate is,
chassis R6-4-48075

Looks like it had a Ford of Canada rebuilt motor put into it as there's a data plate behind the coil,
bore .030
mains .010
throw .030
model 08RTB
Engine No 8563

The donor truck 1952 Mercury M6
New style firewall data plate:
SMA81AHP-32003 (matches VIN on frame above steering box)
Trim 14 Paint 22 Model M6



Data plate
Style C2C-81A
Body No 22231
ICCP 1242
then 22 on the bottom (assume paint)



unfortunately The Merc is donating its bones to the Ford, and will be no more.
 
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Like CaptPayne's HM cowl stamping, I have no idea how to decode this. Anybody figure this out? It is on F1R1HM43475.



Then again the KC line worker left us no questions about F3R1KC15275.


But what does the cowl stamping mean? Looks like KC H 79213. Stu

 
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Like CaptPayne's HM cowl stamping, I have no idea how to decode this. Anybody figure this out? It is on F1R1HM43475.
G= Sea Island Green, HM= Highland Park, 28E=May 28 91=plant coding


Then again the KC line worker left us no questions about F3R1KC15275.


But what does the cowl stamping mean? Looks like KC H 79213. Stu
KC= Kansas City, H= Silvertone Gray 79213= Plant code
I would assume that somebody missed the date stamp, thus the handwritten date, the #9 may have been an employee code or a shift code of some sort.
 
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Originally Posted by CaptPayne
Ok, here are my 2 as requested.

1952(1) F5 Marmon Herrington

Old style glove box plate
F5R1HM48075
Model R18T




Firewall Stamp (kinda hard to make out, but I think this is what it says)
10HM 21F 115


And the M-H plate is,
chassis R6-4-48075

Looks like it had a Ford of Canada rebuilt motor put into it as there's a data plate behind the coil,
bore .030
mains .010
throw .030
model 08RTB
Engine No 8563

The donor truck 1952 Mercury M6
New style firewall data plate:
SMA81AHP-32003 (matches VIN on frame above steering box)
Trim 14 Paint 22 Model M6



Data plate
Style C2C-81A
Body No 22231
ICCP 1242
then 22 on the bottom (assume paint)



unfortunately The Merc is donating its bones to the Ford, and will be no more.
10HM 21F 115

10= ???
HM= Highland Park
21F= June 21, 1951

I don't have any of the Canadian codes (yet) but if I recall correctly
81= Conventional cab
HP= Windsor (Home Plant I think)
Hopefully one of our Mercury/Canadian guys can help us with that.
 
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Thanks Dennis, I have it recorded. I'm sure you know that I am going to ask you to verify the N & meadow green.

My firewall was never painted during the color change and its meadow green. I'm in process of doing body work followed by painting, I'm going to keep it some shade of red but the firewall will remain the meadow green.
 
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You sent me back to the barn. That first digit looks like a 3, but could I guess be a G that was oddly stamped. The truck was Sheridan Blue from the factory - firewall, under dash, inner roof, etc. But there is a lighter color that's worn through in some spots that I've assumed was primer. Hard to imagine the dark blue was applied at the factory on top of green. From M-H it went to Siebert and after their conversion it was poorly repainted what looks like Silvertone Gray. Siebert is said to have failed to include the cost of a repaint in their conversion contract, thus many spots got missed. No matter I guess, Sea Island Green can be argued as being original, and beats heck out of the present flat black.

Your KC senario is plausible, but I've heard stories for years of line workers signing their work in similar ways. The truck is certainly Silvertone Gray. Neat that there's no confusion on the build date. Stu
 
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Joe,

Wayne (52Merc) decoded it for me in another thread

SM=M6 158" wb truck
A=conventional truck
81=Cab and Chassis
A=standard trim
H=Build at Home Office Windsor Ont.
P=1952
32003=Consecutive unit number
he has no idea on the canadian data plates for decode though.
 
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Originally Posted by truckdog62563
You sent me back to the barn. That first digit looks like a 3, but could I guess be a G that was oddly stamped. The truck was Sheridan Blue from the factory - firewall, under dash, inner roof, etc. But there is a lighter color that's worn through in some spots that I've assumed was primer. Hard to imagine the dark blue was applied at the factory on top of green. From M-H it went to Siebert and after their conversion it was poorly repainted what looks like Silvertone Gray. Siebert is said to have failed to include the cost of a repaint in their conversion contract, thus many spots got missed. No matter I guess, Sea Island Green can be argued as being original, and beats heck out of the present flat black.

Your KC senario is plausible, but I've heard stories for years of line workers signing their work in similar ways. The truck is certainly Silvertone Gray. Neat that there's no confusion on the build date. Stu
Well Sheridan Blue would have been a B so maybe that's what it really.
 
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Originally Posted by CaptPayne
Joe,

Wayne (52Merc) decoded it for me in another thread



he has no idea on the canadian data plates for decode though.
Thanks, I'll enter that info. I was sorta right..H home
 
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My 52 F6 originally had a 254 six but has a 360 now:

F6 M 2 LB 10968
10000 gvwr
176" wb
hp: 101@3400
trans: 4 syn
rear: 5.83/8.11
color: M
code: 20B 173
 


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