Hey guys, I am awaiting delivery of a used New Generation Star (NGS) scan tool which I just bought on ebay. Anyone have any experience using it on a 5.8L engine (in a big 1995 Bronco) who can show me the ropes? I also have a laptop and the NGS Wave data software, so I am hoping to be able to graph and print some PIDs. Any help would be greatly appreicated.

 

The 1995 Bronco does not use PIDs as it does not have a controller–area network (CAN)-bus.

The NGS would be able to read the KOEO, CM and KOER codes. It should also be able to read the data pin in the self-test plug for running data of the sensors, speed and rpms.

It would also be able to work with the 4-wheel abs system if you have the adapter cable for the 1995 Bronco.

Instructions for it uses is in the Ford Diagnostics Shop manual.

 

Thank you subford! I was hoping you would respond. I did not know that PIDs are a CAN-bus phenomenon. And yes, I recently bought the two volume (combined 10" thick) 1995 Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis Ford Service Manual On Board Diagnostics books. So when I have time for some light reading, I will get out those books and the New Generation Star and learn to swim by diving into the deep end of the knowledge pool!

Participate in the "enthusiastic" discussion on whether or not FTE should host a top level scan tool forum here:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post15226950

 

Conanski, subford and Franklin2: Check out the Autoenginuity adapter which Tugly found:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post15227698

 

The 99-03 Superduties do not have CAN Bus either, but plenty of PIDS are available to be read in those trucks.

 

Can you tell me why my green card won't program a key for my 2000 Towncar ? It has Pats Control function type C if that means anything to you . Thanks

 

I programmed generic blank PATS keys on a 2001 F-150, where all original keys were lost and no current key was present using my NGS. With your 2000 Lincoln being an earlier model year, I would think the NGS would have no difficulty.

The first suggestion that came to mind to solve your problem was to check the software revision number of your card. A 1998/99 era software revision might not cover a 2000 vehicle. However, that seems to be too obvious of a thing to look for, so while I'm saying it anyway to cross the T and dot the I, I'm assuming you've already turned over that rock.

The second suggestion is that you get a training manual on the NGS, specifically, on the PATS Key programming. An NGS is not necessarily required to program another PATS key if you already have an active PATS key present that is valid for that vehicle's VIN (depending on other factors). However, the procedure of programming naked PATS keys where no other keys are present or valid is a time consuming effort.

In fact, it is PURPOSELY time consuming, to make the procedure too long for a thief to have patience for. It takes at least 30 minutes to get through the entire procedure, if I recall correctly. It probably took me at least 45 minutes. There are 2 or 3 active sequential waiting periods that are each between 10 and 15 minutes in length.

All your post says is that your green card won't program a key for your 2000 TC. You didn't elaborate as to what you did, so it is even harder to guess online why the end result you desired was not achieved. The procedure in programming the PATS key is every bit as important as the proper equipment, which offers sufficient reason to review the procedure, and not just assume faulty equipment.

 

Thanks after further studying I figured it out and was able to program my key three days ago. It's been a little over ten years since I tried to do it and It had to come back to me.


I had to remember that it depends on what type of PATS system is as to how you have to proceed. The long and short of it is I was doing it wrong . I was using the wrong procedure . Thanks for your input


I'm sure glad I figured it out before buying another green card ( which wouldn't have helped ) I'd a felt like a fool. I might for the heck of it buy a purple card just to have .

 

TruckinAl... thank you for reporting back your success in getting what you wanted done, confirming that without any change in the equipment you already had, you were able to get your key programmed by changing to the right procedure. That will go a long way towards helping and reminding others (myself included) with an NGS who might hit a snag along the way and search here for answers.

If you think you might ever work on a 2004-2009 Ford, I'd say go ahead and grab the purple PCMCIA card. There are no further updates beyond 2009. I made a point to obtain all 8 possible cards for my NGS (including the card for Mazda), along with the appropriate cables, because I felt I would have been frustrated if I ever wanted to scan or repair a vehicle that the NGS rightfully covers, but couldn't for the lack of one little PCMCIA card.

 

Oh thanks for that tid bit of information . I wondered from time to time when the last year NGS was supported by Ford. My last year with was 2005 the IDS was on the horizon at that time.


Glad to be acquainted with someone as knowledgeable as you about the NGS. I have a Mazda card for an older Mazda . I have four cards I guess I need four more. Since I've been playing with the NGS with all my vehicles a lot of things are coming back to me.

 

I was told by the Ford dealership that they were unable to reprogram my truck because it requires a NGS sxanner which no still carries. He was able to give me 2 codes B1600 PATS & P1260 PCM. After 3 mechanics no one seems to know whats wrong with him. 98 ford expedition 4.6

 

I've had MAJOR problems with AutoEnginuity -- have deleted its software from the laptops and now use the following OEM and aftermarket tools. Ford's IDS is VERY GOOD --- just a little pricey at around $1000 annually for its software subscription. If you work on a lot of Ford vehicles it's well worth the investment


Factory Scan Tools

Consult II Nissan 1984-2007 Tech II GM 1991-2016 Select Monitor III Subaru 1995-2015
Infiniti 1984-2007 Saab 1988-2012
Suzuki 1996-2011
Consult III+ Nissan 1995-2015 Isuzu 1996-2009 Multi-Tester Pro Volvo 1989-1998
Infiniti 1995-2015
GM MDI GM 2010-2015 Volvo VIDA Volvo 1999-2015
Saab 2010-2012
DRB III Chrysler 1983-2008
Jeep 1987-2004 SDT Suzuki 1995-2012
GDS Hyundai 1988-2015
Wi-Tech Dodge Truck 2004-2015 Kia 1988-2015
Jeep 2004-2015 Master Tech Toyota 1989-2008
Chrysler CAN 2004-2015 Honda HDS Acura / Honda 1990-2015 Lexus 1989-2008

Mazda IDS Mazda 1995-2015 Techstream Toyota 1995-2016
Ford IDS Ford 1995-2017 Lexus 1995-2017
MUT III Mitsubishi 1988-2015


Aftermarket Scan Tools

AutoLogic BMW 1988-2015 SNAP-ON MODIS Ultra All Manufacturers 1995-2014 Autel MaxSys Mini & 908P All Manufacturers 1995-2014
Jaguar 1995-2015
Land Rover 1995-2015
Mercedes 1993-2015
Porshe 1989-2015
VW Audi 1990-2015

Aftermarket Lab Scopes

Pico
Snap On Vantage
EScope 8-Channel

 

Hey guys. The ABS light on the dash is on constantly on the Bronco. I thought it was thin brake pads (the inner right pad always wears quicker than the others. But after replacing the pads and driving 500 miles or so, the light still stays on.

I just hooked up the NGS to the ABS Datalink and it came up with a code 31 LF SENS.

Which I assume is a bad or disconnected ABS sensor on the driver's side wheel.

I was also going to run a KOER, but (and this is going to sound really really stupid) but I can't remember what each of the following are:

ACTIVE BOO, PSP, TCS & MODE SW

Maybe for other weak minded people like me we can list them in this thread: I can remember the first one:

BOO = Brake On Off

PSP = Power Steering Pressure

TCS = Transmission Control Switch

MODE SW = "turn the steering wheel back and fourth . No not lock to lock and no not turned lock to lock . It is done only once at the right time"

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks subford!

 

PSP: Power Steering Pressure.
TCS: Transmission Control Switch.

 

subford: How is Power Steering Pressure meant to be created during the KOER test? Merely by turning the steering wheel? Is it to be turned lock to lock or held against a wheel lock? Is it just done once or repeatedly during the KOER test until the code appears?

Is the Transmission Control Switch the Overdrive switch? And is it merely turned on and then off once for the KOER test?

Finally, what is MODE SW. Does it describe some activity to be done by the technician during the KOER test?

Thank you for your help.

I just paged through this thread again and see where you said "Instructions for it uses is in the Ford Diagnostics Shop manual." I will page through the manual this evening after work. Nothing in the two pamphlets which came with the NGS was helpful. Thanks again.