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Old 02-23-2015, 07:08 AM
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I will either bore the 330 block to 390 and add a 390 crank headers intake heads from a 360 I took out of my 65 or just use the 360 block and find a oil seal or bushing to make the 330 timing cover/front mount work. so I need crank and rods I have a set of heads the 360 block has no ridges and I think it is 30 over so that is where I am leaning. just bought the 330 for the mounts, trans,pto,e brake at $125 I can scrap the rest.
I guess I dont understand, if you are going thru all that why not do all that to the y block?
 
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fe vs 292

for one as stated it is not fair to compare a 390 to a 292 because of the cubes. I have fe parts and used or after market FE parts are easy to find. I like the fe in my 65. What would I have to do to make the 292 compare to the 390 torque, HP numbers? At what cost? From what I have seen so far it doesn't add up. Well and there is the fact that someone told me it won't bolt in so of course I want to try. The cabs and mounts seem to be the same from the 65 f600 to the 64 f350.
 
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Since there were a variety of 390s, it is hard to say what will be required to match hp and tq of yours, which is also modified, but a Y block can easily produce hp within the range of a stock 390. That's actually very easy. Because of the huge difference in displacement, it will be very expensive to get similar torque but about 350 ft lbs is pretty easy to achieve with a Y, not quite in the ball park of a 390, but pretty close given its 98ci deficit, without having to spend a fortune.
While I am curious to know if it will be a true bolt in, I agree with bigwin that you sure are making a lot of effort for the stated goal. I also understand that your familiarity with the FE means you know what to expect with an FE whereas you don't really have a clue what to expect from a well built Y.
 
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What would I have to do to the 292 to get it to do more. I will be using it to haul bark dirt rock for my business. Torque is my main concern. I looked on the Y block forum and what parts to use seemed as clear as mud as well as focused on hp in hot rods. what parts would I need where might I look for them.
 
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Old 02-23-2015, 10:56 AM
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I built my 390 (68 castings run of the mill truck heads 390 stroke ? on the inside) off CL and ebay mostly used parts for less than 800 including the whole cost of a parts truck. did the work of putting it together my self and the build is not ideal im sure but the result was great. with some help figuring out what to buy and where the 292 may work.
 
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I can't give you a recipe, but as I said earlier, anything you would do to another engine can be done to a Y.
Better intake, better exhaust, more compression, better cam, something that will work well for truck duty in this case, rebuilt or new distributor, ignition tuning, etc.

The first thing to do is to determine exactly what you have. After 51 years, any combination of parts can be installed.

The intake you should have should actually be pretty good for truck duty. Other options are the ECZ-9425-B 4 barrel intake or an aftermarket Mummert or Blue Thunder intake. For you, the B intake would be perfect and cost a little less.

Exhaust, headers or rams horns. Dual exhaust should provide the most significant gain.

Compression can be had through milling, different heads, or different pistons or a combination of any of those. We're not talking about super high premium fuel compression. All 292s are low compression, despite what Ford may have advertised. An increase of 1 point or so probably would not affect the grade of fuel required but you get more power and efficiency with higher compression so even if it does require a higher grade of fuel, the cost should be offset by the efficiency. Heads to look for, ECZ-G and 5752-113.

Cam, call your favorite cam grinder, tell them what your doing, answer their questions, and take what they give you. Don't forget lifters.

Find a set of high ratio rockers.
 
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I forget what year 292 you have but it may already have a steel crank that can be stroked. Find a 312 crank and have it machjined to fit the 292 block
I have a friend with a 59 f100 and all he did was put on a "B" 4 v intake and headders and you talk about night and day!.
Everything Charlie says is spot on. One other thing is to DECK the block as the pistons are too low in the bore (thats why the low comp too)
 
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where should I look for parts

I found one intake on CL ECB-9425B I looked for info on this but couldn't determine if it was good or the teapot type . there are many fe intakes s code for 100 normal truck intake for 75 edelbrock for 200 an factory aluminum one for 400 and a few more to choose from. the lowest priced one on ebay was 100 and biding was not finished. Thanks for all the input
 
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Post a link to it and I'll let you know (it should be a ECZ-9425-B)
 
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Everyone's talking about engines, but no one's mentioning gearing. The right gears make a difference too. I have a friend down by the Akron/Canton airport that has a 60 C600 cabover, 292 with an allison automatic. He could haul 6 skids of sod and tow a forklift behind and go 55mph. Since retiring he swapped the rearend ratio from 6.7 (I think) to a 4:88 that I sold him. Now he cruises empty 65mph but truck runs out of gas on hills and he has to drop a gear. So if your gonna work the truck, get it all straight.

My 1st dump truck was a 67 F350. It had a wupped 300-6 in it when I bought it. I bought a rebuilt 300 from a junkyard and dropped in. That truck would run 50mph only, but it would pull my John Deere 1010 backhoe up the 480 bridge and I was passing semi's! But once we hit the level they passed me. I broke a tooth in the pinion and swapped the rear axle. You guessed it, cruised nice empty, but wouldn't pull you hat off your head loaded.
 
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intake

Cool here it is 292 Intake Manifold link to intake the rear end gears are 5.13 to one 750 16 tires speedo is 10mph fast at 60 it is actually going 50 ish The block casting is hard to read but I think it is EDB8015B Where are the numbers on the heads? thanks again for the replies.
 
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You do NOT want that intake. This is what you want, look at how the carb studs are spaced out in the corners more
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Ford-312-Y-Block-High-Performance-4-Barrel-Intake-Manifold-ECZ-9425-B-/181674092615?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a4c9ea847&vxp=mtr
 
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Originally Posted by 1960fordf350
Everyone's talking about engines, but no one's mentioning gearing. The right gears make a difference too. I have a friend down by the Akron/Canton airport that has a 60 C600 cabover, 292 with an allison automatic. He could haul 6 skids of sod and tow a forklift behind and go 55mph. Since retiring he swapped the rearend ratio from 6.7 (I think) to a 4:88 that I sold him. Now he cruises empty 65mph but truck runs out of gas on hills and he has to drop a gear. So if your gonna work the truck, get it all straight.

My 1st dump truck was a 67 F350. It had a wupped 300-6 in it when I bought it. I bought a rebuilt 300 from a junkyard and dropped in. That truck would run 50mph only, but it would pull my John Deere 1010 backhoe up the 480 bridge and I was passing semi's! But once we hit the level they passed me. I broke a tooth in the pinion and swapped the rear axle. You guessed it, cruised nice empty, but wouldn't pull you hat off your head loaded.
I met that guy, he is a good ol guy. He needed an intake and I didnt have one at the time. He showed me pics and I think the c600 was red or red and white? I forget.
 
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Its red/white combo. He bought it from a Ford tractor dealer, and it was the paint scheme on it. His name is Don.
 
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If the block is EDB, then the engine has been swapped. It is most likely EDB-6015-E which is a 58-59 292 and possibly a 312. TECHNICAL

The head numbers will be either under the intake flange, or between exhaust ports. Y
 


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