The 3v v10 is most definitely awesome. I've pulled around 28,000 pounds with mine many times and while it does work it hard but I don't have any problem keeping up with 60+mph traffic. (14 - 1,500# round hay bales on a over 7000# 35ft flatbed gooseneck) 50+ miles almost flat no problem the two big hills going up from rivers (ones 1/2mile and the other is a 1mile pull) requires some 3500+ RPMs but otherwise it hammers on at 2100 to 3000 rpm at 60mph.

 

another vote for gasoline here!

 

Not to defend the diesel but I found a 2005 88 thousand miles has been bullet proofed asking 20 grand. It's a pretty truck from the pictures. So would you think this truck would be worth to look at.

The gas V 10s and big V8s are hard to find.

 

its really all about preference and truck history/mods...look at a lot of trucks both gas and diesel and go over the numbers based off of your driving habits/needs. only look at later 6.0's, as was said previously, and pay serious attention to what the previous owner has replaced or modified. studs and deletes are a must in my book.


I cant stand gassers, especially modulars, but the only way I'd buy a 6.0 over a modular is if it had been studded and deleted for a while prior to my purchase. AND the price was right...


now a clean OBS zf5 460 I'd buy over a modular in a heartbeat.


I don't know how much you drive, but it doesn't take years to start seeing your money from a diesel purchase. most of us don't have 20k sitting around, so we make payments. gotta take your fuel cost + truck payment per month of each and see what you'd save with a diesel.


something else to consider is how much you like power. the 6.0 with a tuner cant be touched by the gassers, and would still net great mileage.


studded/deleted and tuned 6.0 zf6 is a great combo.


the end.

 

possibly the gas rigs are hard to find cause owners are holding on to them?
not sure what the sales figures were, but that would be interesting

i have had V10 and 6.0, like them both, V10 was nice and quiet, low maint and peppy around town, but poor fuel economy.

6.0 feels like has more power (but not off the line), noisy but thats kinda what makes it cool, and little better fuel economy (but cost about equal considering price differential), and can be expensive to maintain.

if i were buying another truck and both were same in condition, miles, options, color and money other than motor, that would be hard for sure

right now i like the rattle rattle, and turbo power curve, but if something big breaks i would be changing my preference

i use mine mostly for light duty transportation and have no good reason to have a diesel other than i came across it from a friend at a good price and thought it would be fun to give it a try

 

Add me to the gasser list..

I'm on my 4th 5.4L no issues so far, but I try to stay on top of things..

The previous three were all in F150's..

 

I like the obs trucks as much as anyone and think they were some of the best and best looking trucks out there, and while the 460 was a beast in its day, there is no way I would buy one over a 5.4 or 6.8. It makes less power than a 5.4 and gets worse mileage than a 6.8. Not a knock on the 460 by any means, but having pulled with all 3 engines I would much rather have a modular.

 

GAS. For sure!

 

I haven't owned a 460, but ive driven plenty of 460 trucks. I co owned an '06 5.4 for business purposes (sold in 2012) and it pulled 10k fine, but nothing like even my 351, which is "modernized" (not heavily modified, but not suffering from the 80's emissions restrictions and abysmal head flow). got 11 mpg unloaded, don't see how that's breaking any records vs a 460 that is getting 10 unloaded in stock trim (can easily squeeze 11 out of a 460 with light mods)


the 460 just needs a little love to bring it into 2015 standards, which is very simple and cost effective. 1500 bucks gets you more power and torque than a modular could with 3000 bucks into it.....



no comparison between any modular and a 460 IMHO. but I don't ride around with stock stuff either....

 

I love diesels. Had a 2003 7.3. It was awesome. But nowadays? Look what I bought in my signature. Gasser is quiet, $1 cheaper a gallon, and way more reliable. It's no speed demon, but warms up in 5 mins, smooth and quiet, and I can work on it myself for cheap.

 

I agree 100% that the 460 and windsors are easier and cheaper to modify than a modular. No debate there at all. I have owned a 5.0, 5.8 and 460 and in stock form there isn't a one of them that will pull with a 5.4, much less a v10. I keep my trucks stock because I tow with them and longevity and fuel mileage are more important to me than ease of modification. When it comes to my mustangs though, I only buy 5.0 and older models.

 

GASSER all the way. It won't tow with a diesel especially a modded one, but has very little issues, will go into the 300k mileage range and beyond AND $1 less for fuel. It is a Super Duty and will pull, haul, tow anything you want. It just does it differently than a diesel.

 

happy to be in agreement! sort of


the 460 is possibly the best gas engine ever put into a pickup truck, from a performance and simplicity/reliability stand point. the only thing it suffers from, in stock trim, is 80's power levels driven by emission regulations. Im sure we both know why, its evident with all vehicles from that era. small cams combined with poor flowing heads and exhaust that flow like a mcdonalds straw. if youre comparing stock to stock, of course a v10 would be better...its intake, cams, exhaust aren't suffering from an era where manufacturers and designers didn't know how to make power and pass emissions. if we could magically apply todays design standards and technology to a 460, it'd be a different discussion. we can, however, supplement the old busted stuff from 80's with stuff that has been designed since then.


now, back to the 460's potential. if you aren't going to take advantage of its potential, modulars are great. however, a cam swap, full exhaust, and some head work to the stock heads will net a combo that will outperform a v10 any day of the week. mileage will be comparable, if not better, as torque production will surpass the v10 no problem.


from a raw performance standpoint, I don't think theres a massed produced engine that can touch a 460 (lsx maybe). massive stroke potential, tall deck heights and dry head bolt chases (a formula for stout deck surfaces i.e. wont warp under high torque), relatively cheap aftermarket heads....


460's can be easily built to outperform v10s with peanuts and will get similar mileage, if not better. now, if that's out of the scope of possibility for someone, I wont bash 'em for riding around in a stock v10 powered truck. there is no comparison between a mild 460 and a smaller modular. in fact, 5.8>5.4.


of course, its my preference and opinion based on my experiences . cant complain about our 5.4, we worked it to death. it was slow as all hell, but got the job done when we asked it to. 160k hard miles, did spit 2 spark plugs, and a manifold cracked...but I don't expect anything to be maintenance and repair free.

 

What do YOU want?


Ultimately, that matters a lot more than what "we" think. I wanted a v10 excursion for a while, but then I stumbled on an 03 F350SD with the 6.0.

I had read all the negative things about them, and I went in prepared. I got the truck for the a thousand more than the price of that V10 Excursion, and I don't really mind fixing it up. Once the diesel gets a little attention, it'll last much longer than the gas engines.

But still, at the end of the day, it's your money. The 6.0s are somewhat problematic if they were neglected or had idiots run tuners in them. There are thousands of these trucks running around without fault. It's all in the maintenance. A neglected gasoline truck will be just as expensive as a neglected diesel.

Also, what the above poster said about the 6.0 is not entirely true. Many of the 6.0 problems involve the injectors because they have this spool valve, Ford were the first use this high tech injection system, and they had to redesign the injectors. The spool valve sits atop the injector and gets clugged up with junk from the oil, all 6.0s will need new injectors at some point.

The 2003 EGR cooler is the best of the bunch, it was made by Garrett, and uses tubes as opposed to the radiator type element found in later models.

You buy the diesel because you want a diesel.

I don't tow often, I use my truck more like a car, but the extra height and the towing capacity, I wouldn't trade it for a gas.

Plus I love the sound of a turbo diesel working.

At then end of the day, it's your money. You can go either way, and you'll find plenty of support for either side.