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#17
I know I will not always be shooting hot loads, but the last thing I want to worry about is if the gun I am carrying will fail or not. This is the main reason I will never own a Taurus, just not reliable enough of a brand for me.
I may be putting this project on hold again, need to get the finances right.
#18
Now I'm curious, I might have to look into it, but I've seen a 500S&W lever gun and there's a fair amount of 45-70 lever guns out there. Whatever the details of the durability problems are I suspect them to be solvable.
#19
On the other hand, i know what the revolver is made to do, and it can take the extra power from the rounds. That and I like a good revolver.
#20
I think you are right in that there are possibilities,it is mainly that each gun is tailored to its round, so I am not sure how "easy" it would be to beef up the lever gun's internals for the extra pressure.
On the other hand, i know what the revolver is made to do, and it can take the extra power from the rounds. That and I like a good revolver.
On the other hand, i know what the revolver is made to do, and it can take the extra power from the rounds. That and I like a good revolver.
#21
There are lever guns that can and do handle some pretty potent rounds.
Look at the operating pressures of cartridges.
Granted, the .45-70 is pretty tame, for a rifle cartridge. (I own two Marlin 1895 leverguns in .45-70.)
However, you can get pretty darned 'nasty' with loads, and I'll bout guarantee that you won't shoot more than 5 rounds of this grand ole 'catridge' and you'll be done for the day.
I've seen pictures (and saved some on another computer) of a .45-70 that came apart where the barrel screws into the receiver.
This pic was a classic "split the barrel like a cartoon picture"!
The receiver was in several pieces, and the stock and forend split and splintered.
With the .45-70, there just is no reason to 'hot rod' it.
My Marlin 1895G "Guide Gun" in .45-70 with Federal 300 gr JHP cartridges under the rifle, and my handloads of 405 gr Cast Performance LWNGC "catridges" in the stock sleeve.
The .500 S&W Magnum and the .460 Magnum generate quite a bit of pressure.
The .454 Casull generates a bucket load of pressures, too.
All of these are a LOT more than the .44 Magnum generates.
I think you are right in that there are possibilities,it is mainly that each gun is tailored to its round, so I am not sure how "easy" it would be to beef up the lever gun's internals for the extra pressure.
On the other hand, i know what the revolver is made to do, and it can take the extra power from the rounds. That and I like a good revolver.
On the other hand, i know what the revolver is made to do, and it can take the extra power from the rounds. That and I like a good revolver.
He made the claim that he loads 2.0 grains over maximum with Winchester 296 powder (a really great .44 magnum powder!), "all the time".
He almost got the 'new guy' killed, with his bovine scatology.
The 'new guy' overloaded his cartridges with W-296 and blew the gun up!!!!!
The cylinder went into multiple pieces, and the front-end of the frame split, along with the barrel at the forcing cone.
The topstrap on the Redhawk came apart and some pieces of it and the cylinder were never found.
3 pieces (fragments) of the revolver went into the guy's face. Luckily, he was wearing shooting glasses.
This is PROOF that you NEVER take someone's 'word' on loading data.
ALWAYS read, understand and follow ALL safety practices and follow published (not from Billy Joe Ripsnort on the 'net) loading books.
#22
What do you guys consider 'hot' loads?
Some of the hardest-hitting 45-70 loads (Garrett Hammerhead cartridges) are recommended ONLY in late model Marlin lever guns......
And they've been used to take all the Africa 'Big 6' too.......
Forgive my ignorance.....and I haven't really checked the ballistics of the big bolt magnums.....But those puppies are generating some 35000 psi.....which is pretty hefty when throwing out 540-grain hard-cast bullets.
Some of the hardest-hitting 45-70 loads (Garrett Hammerhead cartridges) are recommended ONLY in late model Marlin lever guns......
And they've been used to take all the Africa 'Big 6' too.......
Forgive my ignorance.....and I haven't really checked the ballistics of the big bolt magnums.....But those puppies are generating some 35000 psi.....which is pretty hefty when throwing out 540-grain hard-cast bullets.
#23
You do. And add about 400 f/s out of a .44 lever gun versus a .44 revolver........Like you said. Escaping gases from around the cylinder in the revolver......
#24
Just happened to remember the Savage mdl 99.
This is a great 'old' lever action rifle, that has been chambered in .308 Winchester.
The operating pressure of this cartridge (according to Wiki) is 62,000 psi or about TWICE what a 'standard' .45-70 builds.
.308 Winchester - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Garrett Hammerheads and Buffalo Bore ammo is Hot, with a capitol H O T! <<<<------ This guy likes hot! Ha!
This is a great 'old' lever action rifle, that has been chambered in .308 Winchester.
The operating pressure of this cartridge (according to Wiki) is 62,000 psi or about TWICE what a 'standard' .45-70 builds.
.308 Winchester - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Garrett Hammerheads and Buffalo Bore ammo is Hot, with a capitol H O T! <<<<------ This guy likes hot! Ha!
#25
So, I am not sure if there is or has been a gun thread on here, but I figured I would start one...
But first a few rules, or suggestions. Please do not post photos showing your gun(s) serial numbers. Just like your truck plates, these can be recorded and tracked, and I don't know any gun owners who would want that.
Second, lets keep this clean and fun. Lets talk about experiences, plusses and minuses we have encountered. Just like with our trucks, lets be helpful and informative.
Our second amendment can be a fun, yet sometimes contentious topic, so lets keep it enjoyable for all. This is not about if it should be a right or not to own firearms, or what types those should be, but this should be about enjoying what is legal and answering questions for all. We have had this topic float around from thread to thread, so now, maybe we have a home for it.
Thanks!
...and now for why I really want this post. I am an avid 44mag fan. I fell in love with the round after buying a "bear" gun in Alaska. I have always wanted a 44mag revolver rifle. Not a crappy Rossi, but something that can take abuse, and I think I have finally found a smith who can help me make it happen. Here are two photoshop ideas of how it could look, I am just hoping that I can actually make this happen.
I am welcome to all comments.
Thanks, and enjoy!
But first a few rules, or suggestions. Please do not post photos showing your gun(s) serial numbers. Just like your truck plates, these can be recorded and tracked, and I don't know any gun owners who would want that.
Second, lets keep this clean and fun. Lets talk about experiences, plusses and minuses we have encountered. Just like with our trucks, lets be helpful and informative.
Our second amendment can be a fun, yet sometimes contentious topic, so lets keep it enjoyable for all. This is not about if it should be a right or not to own firearms, or what types those should be, but this should be about enjoying what is legal and answering questions for all. We have had this topic float around from thread to thread, so now, maybe we have a home for it.
Thanks!
...and now for why I really want this post. I am an avid 44mag fan. I fell in love with the round after buying a "bear" gun in Alaska. I have always wanted a 44mag revolver rifle. Not a crappy Rossi, but something that can take abuse, and I think I have finally found a smith who can help me make it happen. Here are two photoshop ideas of how it could look, I am just hoping that I can actually make this happen.
I am welcome to all comments.
Thanks, and enjoy!
them are stupid.
#26
To the bear 'experts' on this thread.....
Is just your plain old .44-mag revolver adequate as a defense against the big bruins? Obviously nothing beats a high-powered rifle.....but is it? My knee-jerk opinion is 'yes'.....but what do y'all think?
I know some of the police patrol units in northern Greenland carry the 10-mm not only as their issue sidearm......but as a secondary usage against polar bears....which are, if anything, worse than grizzlies......
Thoughts?
Is just your plain old .44-mag revolver adequate as a defense against the big bruins? Obviously nothing beats a high-powered rifle.....but is it? My knee-jerk opinion is 'yes'.....but what do y'all think?
I know some of the police patrol units in northern Greenland carry the 10-mm not only as their issue sidearm......but as a secondary usage against polar bears....which are, if anything, worse than grizzlies......
Thoughts?
#27
I wouldn't have put it so brutally.......
But I kinda think pistols are pistols........rifles are rifles......and for the 'tweens'........carbines do nicely.........
Not to sound poetic, but the various kinds of firearms have a certain beauty all their own. Don't really believe in making a Frankenstein monster out of any of them.
Bolt-actions long guns like the Winchester Model 70 are the supermodels of the shooting world.........
#28
To the bear 'experts' on this thread.....
Is just your plain old .44-mag revolver adequate as a defense against the big bruins? Obviously nothing beats a high-powered rifle.....but is it? My knee-jerk opinion is 'yes'.....but what do y'all think?
I know some of the police patrol units in northern Greenland carry the 10-mm not only as their issue sidearm......but as a secondary usage against polar bears....which are, if anything, worse than grizzlies......
Thoughts?
Is just your plain old .44-mag revolver adequate as a defense against the big bruins? Obviously nothing beats a high-powered rifle.....but is it? My knee-jerk opinion is 'yes'.....but what do y'all think?
I know some of the police patrol units in northern Greenland carry the 10-mm not only as their issue sidearm......but as a secondary usage against polar bears....which are, if anything, worse than grizzlies......
Thoughts?
#30
To the bear 'experts' on this thread.....
Is just your plain old .44-mag revolver adequate as a defense against the big bruins? Obviously nothing beats a high-powered rifle.....but is it? My knee-jerk opinion is 'yes'.....but what do y'all think?
I know some of the police patrol units in northern Greenland carry the 10-mm not only as their issue sidearm......but as a secondary usage against polar bears....which are, if anything, worse than grizzlies......
Thoughts?
Is just your plain old .44-mag revolver adequate as a defense against the big bruins? Obviously nothing beats a high-powered rifle.....but is it? My knee-jerk opinion is 'yes'.....but what do y'all think?
I know some of the police patrol units in northern Greenland carry the 10-mm not only as their issue sidearm......but as a secondary usage against polar bears....which are, if anything, worse than grizzlies......
Thoughts?
I'm FAR from being an expert on bears (and many other things!), but, the .44 magnum has been carried by many in bear country.
I'd feel at ease carrying my Dan Wesson 44VH-8 (or in VH-4 configuration) with a 265 grain hardcast SWC bullet, or JSP.
I would want as heavy a bullet as I could get to seat deep enough (to allow the cylinder to turn) and still have enough powder behind it to give good velocity.
I don't know if a 300 grain bullet would seat deep enough to function in a revolver.
I don't know if it's available now, but, Smith & Wesson used to market what they called a "Mountain Gun". Mdl 29 or 629, in .44 magnum, with a 4" barrel. It wasn't a 'heavy' barrel, per se, but it sure was a gorgeous revolver!!!!!!
It was intended to be a backpacker's revolver.
As for 10mm, I've read where the Glock 21 in .45 acp can be converted to 10mm with just a couple of parts. (Conversion barrel, recoil spring assembly and the magazine[s] IF memory serves me.)
I'd like to try that. Might have to find that article, then get the parts.