Hello,

Im hastely working away on my 1963 223ci three speed M100. The truck was not orignially equiped with a T86 overdrive transmission ... But, I desire one & have located what I think is a match. That is the reason for the post, I am not sure if it is a match & its a six hour drive to pull it out of a field car.

The vehicle is a 1951 ford car with a 'three on the tree & a cable operated overdrive, the overdrive does have a solinoid on on the side of the transmission'. This description by the owner sounds to me like it's the Borg/Warner I'm looking for.

Anyone with any wisdom to empart as to how this will go down for me? Im not seasoned with my wrench set for such jobs. I am equiped with some patience & the appropriate Ford shop manual.





Picture from a few days back. Box has now been primed.

 

There are multiple reasons why an OD from a 1951 car will not work in a 1963 truck.

For one thing, 1928/55 FoMoCo vehicles are 6V positive ground, 1956 and later are 12V negative ground. The only O/D electrical part that's the same is the kickdown switch.

Warner T-85N 3 speed O/D: 1965/71 F100.

Warner T-86 3 speed O/D: 1953/64 F100.

Is the O/D still installed in the car? Or has the car gone bye bye, and all that remains is the OD trans?

btw: The Styleside bed on your 1963 is from a 1964/66 F100/250 2WD or 1966 F100 4WD.

1961/63 Stylesides (non Uni's) used 1957/60 Styleside beds, as did 1964/65 F100/250 4WD's, 1964/66 F350's and 1966 F250 4WD's.

 

Ah! Thank you for the reply Bill. I am determined to make this overdrive work. I have read in the restoration book that there is a way to make the overdrive mechanically activated only.

I was plannig to use the clutch housing, gear box & overdrive from the 51' car to bolt up to my truck. Then I was planning to have a shop shorten the drive shaft.

I replaced my 1963 box with a 1964 styleside F250 box & took seven inches out of the front part of it to accomidate the shorter wheel base. Tne original box will become a trailer.

The OD is still in the car. Car is sitting out in field with many friends around it.

Can you tell me how you determined my box was not a 1964/66 F100 box?

 

I love the three on the tree OD.
I hope it works for you.
As for your bed. It would have had
the "Wrong Bed" on it from Ford.
They are very different.

 

Thanks! I'm curious to hear how one tells a 64' F250 box from a 64' F100 box. I know about the wrong box history.

 

4WD F250s used the wrong bed through 1966.


2WD F250s used the new styleside bed starting in 1964.

 

Thanks, I do understand that.

Bill initially responded stating the box was from a 2WD F250 1964 along with a few other options.

He distinguished that it was not typical 64-66 F100 style side. I'm wondering how he knew it was specifically a F250 box & not a F100 box.

 

SAME Styleside beds: 1964/66 F100/250 2WD - 1966 F100 4WD .. These beds were not installed on any 1961/63.

1961/63 Stylesides (non Uni's) used 1957/60 Styleside beds that were also installed on 1964/65 F100/250 4WD, 1964/66 F350, 1966 F250 4WD

The F350's used the exclusive 9' Express bed.

 

Ah jezz okay. My mistake. Sorry to make you go to that effort because I cant read.

Ive found repalcement electrical parts for the overdrive in question, I believe.
Parts: Borg-Warner Overdrive Parts | Fifth Avenue Internet Garage

Replacing the relay & solinoid to the 12V components makes me think I could convert it. Does someone know better? NumberDummy could I pick your brain for other issues that will come up for this conversion?

I apparently have the 118' wheel base extension housing.

** i just spoke to a gentlmen at Fifth Ave internet Garage & he has said the replacement of the solinoid & relay to the 12V model will indeed suffice to eliminate the 6V to 12V problem I'm facing.

 

Sure, as long as you don't misinterpret what I type...again.

 

118' housing extension.

 

Yes, I mostly certainly promise ... And appoligize to the other helpful posters for being stupid

 

The car with the overdrive has a flat head eight cylinder engine in it. It's described as a 1951 Ford four door.

 

You cannot use the flathead V8's clutch housing (see 6392 in pic) on your 223 OHV I-6.

Pic from 1949/59 Ford Passenger Car Parts Catalog.

 

Okay, thanks. Do have the transmission model number this car will have. Perhaps my clutch housing on the truck will work for the transmission.