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Looking to buy a new and improved , type 2 or whatever you'ld like to call the newest breed of Billet compressor wheels. I would like to keep everything stock for reliability, just change the compressor wheel.
I've got an E99 but would appreciate anyone with one of the Barder wheels.
They seem to be a different design than RR's billet or the WW2.
Any info would be appreciated. Opinions welcome
Ron
Well that is a little surprising. Over 100 views and ZERO posts at this point.
I suppose that shows there must be at least SOME interest in this topic. Or we are all just fascinated by billet turbo compressor wheels.
Shiny thing, shiny thing, Squirrel !
This morning I called James at Barder Turbo Service, I think he is the owner. After speaking with him for about 20 minutes (James answering my dumb questions) I went ahead and ordered a 4+4 Billet Compressor Wheel and an upgraded Turbo repair kit. All the goodies you need to rebuild a stock '94 - '03 GTP-38 turbo. This kit has the 360* thrust bearing instead of the 270* model.
James was very knowledgeable about the "Other" brands of billet wheels which we all know. ie; WW2 & RR billet compressor wheels. He spoke well of those units and knows both of the owners. No bashing here.
James JUST came out with his unique version which he designates as the 4+4 billet wheel. He previously carried a 12 vane model, very similar to the two vendors mentioned above, however, being a machine shop specializing in building turbos he has his own design ideas too. Due to some of his clients not appreciating the "whiny whistle" (my words) that these 2nd generation compressor wheels can make, he came up with a new design. 4 Large blades, each followed by a smaller, shorter one as in the similar and well proven design.
According to James this newly designed wheel of his is quieter and still has an anti-surge design while providing an additional 17.4 HP and 32ft/lbs Boost over the stock compressor. There are no modifications that need to be made.
Which living in Ca. is a big plus as the Smog ***** are coming down hard on diesels now. We were given a "pass" the last few years, but no more Mr. Nice guy. Any visible modification to the airflow (after the CCV boot)or smog equipment is an automatic failure!
Yes, it's easy to say "well move then", if I didn't have lots of family here I'd be in Idaho fishing.
Here's a link to his page ONLINE STORE - Barder Turbo Service
and a photo
No relation to James, Barder or his shop in any way.
Just trying something different than others have used on a stock E99.
I'll report back with my impressions and what the gauges tell me once it's installed. Maybe next Monday or sooner.
Ron
LOL. The last 3 times I came to a fruit check station they have been closed due to budget constraints.......... go figure.
That and the Wifee got a vote too.
Ron
This sounds interesting as I've wanted one of the "new" wheels but there have been too many reports of increased noise for me. If this one delivers and does it quieter, I'll be next in line. Let us know how it works.
I just got Riffraff's new wheel today but went with Barder's rebuild kit due to the 360 bearing. let us know about the rebuild kit to, mine should be here fri. but with everything going on, It ll probably take me 2 weeks to get my truck back together.
This sounds interesting as I've wanted one of the "new" wheels but there have been too many reports of increased noise for me. If this one delivers and does it quieter, I'll be next in line. Let us know how it works.
That is one nice thing about the new generation 4/4 wheels, they are quieter.
That is one nice thing about the new generation 4/4 wheels, they are quieter.
Received mine in the mail last night.
Whoa, this thing is WAY too awesome looking to hide inside a turbo housing!
This is Man Jewelry, Oh-Oh-O. More power!
Truly a work of art.
I installed a billet wheel in my turbo. Have not had the chance to get up on the fwy yet to test it out. Too soon to give mileage results. Will be going 600 miles next week so I will know then. So far, no noticeable turbo noise. Since the 360 bearing kit did not come with instructions and it came with an extra part, I was unable to figure it out. It kept binding up on me so I went with a 270 bearing kit, it came with the same number of parts.
"Any visible modification to the airflow (after the CCV boot) (smog equipment) is an automatic failure! "
Not necessarily, AFE Bladerunner manifold is smog legal in Cal. since ~June. Took them about 2-3 years to get it certified but it is good to go now. CAT delete is a big failure but 99.5 - '03.5 with auto trans didn't have one anyway.
Hydro,
What did the "extra" part look like? I just installed the 360* kit and had no leftovers. It DID take me a while to figure out which "side of the coin" to install with the 360* (oil passage furrows)
Don,
Yep, yer right! Glad to learn something new every day. Sure contradicts what the "Smog" technician told me when I failed my Smog test. (had nothing to do with the intake manifold)
For those who will be working on their Turbos.
Get a fresh can of PB Blaster and Brake Cleaner.
A GOOD 12pt. 5/16 x 3/8 socket and a GOOD 12pt. 5/16 box open wrench.
(You'll need both! )
Good means one with sharp edges on the points and valleys of the tool. I ordered one from NAPA and it has ROUNDED inside and outside edges, worse than useless, would have rounded the tips off the 12pt. bolts. Never used it. Probably give it back to them and beach at them for a lousy tool.
New Oil and filter too, give your newly rebuilt a fighting chance at a long life.
Something interesting I found, I weighed my stock compressor wheel and the 4+4 wheel. The stock weighed in at 118 grams, the 4+4 weighed in at 99 grams. That makes it ~ 16% lighter than stock. In theory it should make difference in spool up time.
09-22-2014, 01:17 AM
