Mishimoto 200° vs. Ford 192° thermostat
#541
Just got done contacting Mishi. That was easy, but I will probably have to do it again, seeing's that I forgot to attach a copy of my receipt. The customer service team seems super friendly, considering I might be one of the most awkward ppl you would ever have to talk to on the phone. (I hate talking on the phone. I stumble, ramble, awkward pause, nervousness....)
UPS says mine is waiting at the house for me but it won't get done tonight. Hopefully it'll be installed early Saturday morning and I can go for a drive. Currently with ~40* ambient temps it doesn't open the thermostat in 6 miles after a 10 minute warm up in the morning.
AFA I can tell. The RT-1169 thermostat housing I have at the house is a 91 so I can at least get it installed and report on any fitment issue.
AFA I can tell. The RT-1169 thermostat housing I have at the house is a 91 so I can at least get it installed and report on any fitment issue.
#542
I've read through much of this thread and I still don't understand why I would want this thermostat. What is the benefit of this vs the factory stat? I fight hard to keep oil temps down, why would I want a hotter coolant temp running through the oil cooler? Same with the transmission. Then on top of it, this costs more than an OE stat and doesn't come with a new housing or oring. I must be missing something really important for a thermostat to make a 37 page thread.
#543
I've read through much of this thread and I still don't understand why I would want this thermostat. What is the benefit of this vs the factory stat? I fight hard to keep oil temps down, why would I want a hotter coolant temp running through the oil cooler? Same with the transmission. Then on top of it, this costs more than an OE stat and doesn't come with a new housing or oring. I must be missing something really important for a thermostat to make a 37 page thread.
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#544
I've read through much of this thread and I still don't understand why I would want this thermostat. What is the benefit of this vs the factory stat? I fight hard to keep oil temps down, why would I want a hotter coolant temp running through the oil cooler? Same with the transmission. Then on top of it, this costs more than an OE stat and doesn't come with a new housing or oring. I must be missing something really important for a thermostat to make a 37 page thread.
I've waited a good long while for someone to develop such a thermostat for the 6.0 and Mishimoto has. Since installing it, my truck runs noticably better and temps do not exceed 200-2004 degrees cruising, my mileage is also up 1 mpg, and I see less smoke under WOT which in and of itself is proof the thermostat does what it says it does. With the stock thermostat that wouldn't exceed 188 degrees, my truck would belch out black smoke at WOT, the 14 degree difference between the stock and Mishimoto is worth it.
#546
Well.....being that it's still dark outside and I can't sleep, I pulled the new Mishi out of the box, installed it in the C91 housing and sure enough there's the small gap that doesn't seal up. A little boiling water took care of that, but being the engineering ignorant soul that I am, why would hot water make it close THEN open, and how can I repeat the original position of the new thermostat for the RT-1169 housing that's on the truck already?
#547
The boiling water causes it to open, then when it cools, it seals. Because it's shipped with no housing, there is nothing for the spring to push against. (Which would be the pin and tab holder thingys)
It should go in the RT housing just fine now.
EDIT:I didn't realize the BPD oil cooler maintained the eot that low. Will be interesting to see if there is a change in your eot. (I'm thinking eot will be the same....hurry and install it!)
It should go in the RT housing just fine now.
EDIT:I didn't realize the BPD oil cooler maintained the eot that low. Will be interesting to see if there is a change in your eot. (I'm thinking eot will be the same....hurry and install it!)
#548
Thanks Mishi!
#550
The boiling water causes it to open, then when it cools, it seals. Because it's shipped with no housing, there is nothing for the spring to push against. (Which would be the pin and tab holder thingys)
It should go in the RT housing just fine now.
EDIT:I didn't realize the BPD oil cooler maintained the eot that low. Will be interesting to see if there is a change in your eot. (I'm thinking eot will be the same....hurry and install it!)
It should go in the RT housing just fine now.
EDIT:I didn't realize the BPD oil cooler maintained the eot that low. Will be interesting to see if there is a change in your eot. (I'm thinking eot will be the same....hurry and install it!)
AFA the BPD oil cooler goes, I have one of the first cold weather kits and the thermostat has given up in the oil cooler. The design has since been changed and improved on the thermostat but in order to "fix" it I have to change the whole thermostat housing which is a real PIA that I just don't have time to do. The older thermostat just isn't available anymore (for obvious reasons).
#551
Well, I got the little jewel installed (what a joy that is on my truck).
Ambient air temp was 41*. SGII reported both sensors as 48* (14 hr. cold soak). Started the truck and let it idle until the temp "maxed" out at 152/132. Took it for about a 10 mile drive with the first 5 at 35-45 mph to warm the rest of her bones and it was in town. Hit the 65 mph zone at 190* and within less than a mile the thermostat opened at 204. Immediately dropped to 193 and maxed out at 200 until everything got fairly evenly warmed up. Holds at 198-200 and although I didn't drive enough to get the oil completely warmed up the oil temps were up 5-7 degrees from what they normally are. I'm currently waiting for a cool down so the coolant level will stabilize and I can finish topping it off.
The only thing I didn't like about the thermostat was the supplied gasket. Seems a little thin but after a little persuasion I managed to make it stay in the housing for the install. No leaks so far.
Ambient air temp was 41*. SGII reported both sensors as 48* (14 hr. cold soak). Started the truck and let it idle until the temp "maxed" out at 152/132. Took it for about a 10 mile drive with the first 5 at 35-45 mph to warm the rest of her bones and it was in town. Hit the 65 mph zone at 190* and within less than a mile the thermostat opened at 204. Immediately dropped to 193 and maxed out at 200 until everything got fairly evenly warmed up. Holds at 198-200 and although I didn't drive enough to get the oil completely warmed up the oil temps were up 5-7 degrees from what they normally are. I'm currently waiting for a cool down so the coolant level will stabilize and I can finish topping it off.
The only thing I didn't like about the thermostat was the supplied gasket. Seems a little thin but after a little persuasion I managed to make it stay in the housing for the install. No leaks so far.
#552
I ordered the Mishimoto MMTS-F2D-03H from amazon and it didn't come with an o-ring. Emailed Mishimoto customer service and they sent me one quickly by US Postal Service.
I bought a new RT-1169 complete thermostat and housing from Ford and removed the thermostat.
Just placing the Mishimoto thermostat in the new housing with the pin in the receiving cup, the flange does not seal. The wing retainers are about 3/4" above the clips on the housing.
It takes a small amount of effort but the thermostat wings can be pushed down to slip into the housing clips. At first I thought it wouldn't go, but with some wiggling I got the wing and spring to clear the wider brass barrel. Part of the reason this first appears difficult I believe is because the winding of the spring on the Mishi decreases in diameter towards the wing and so it may get hung up as it tries to move past the wide barrel.
I put it in a pot of boiling water for about a minute or two. Took it out and the plate sealed up tight to the housing.
Off to install it in the truck and hopefully all will be well.
Thanks to the others who put all the time and effort into assembling the info and documenting the headaches for the community.
I bought a new RT-1169 complete thermostat and housing from Ford and removed the thermostat.
Just placing the Mishimoto thermostat in the new housing with the pin in the receiving cup, the flange does not seal. The wing retainers are about 3/4" above the clips on the housing.
It takes a small amount of effort but the thermostat wings can be pushed down to slip into the housing clips. At first I thought it wouldn't go, but with some wiggling I got the wing and spring to clear the wider brass barrel. Part of the reason this first appears difficult I believe is because the winding of the spring on the Mishi decreases in diameter towards the wing and so it may get hung up as it tries to move past the wide barrel.
I put it in a pot of boiling water for about a minute or two. Took it out and the plate sealed up tight to the housing.
Off to install it in the truck and hopefully all will be well.
Thanks to the others who put all the time and effort into assembling the info and documenting the headaches for the community.
#553
My oil temps didn't get to 190 but they are up about 15* cruising around town from what they were. Haven't been able to get out for a long cruise to see what it's going to be on the highway but I'll find out Christmas eve when I head home.
#554
I've read through much of this thread and I still don't understand why I would want this thermostat. What is the benefit of this vs the factory stat? I fight hard to keep oil temps down, why would I want a hotter coolant temp running through the oil cooler? Same with the transmission. Then on top of it, this costs more than an OE stat and doesn't come with a new housing or oring. I must be missing something really important for a thermostat to make a 37 page thread.
Being a former 7.3 guy, you should remember the Diesel Site 203* thermostat. Same thing, The hotter the engine runs, the better it's able to burn fuel. This especially benefits tuned trucks with the additional fuel they're dumping due to tuning.
I've waited a good long while for someone to develop such a thermostat for the 6.0 and Mishimoto has. Since installing it, my truck runs noticably better and temps do not exceed 200-2004 degrees cruising, my mileage is also up 1 mpg, and I see less smoke under WOT which in and of itself is proof the thermostat does what it says it does. With the stock thermostat that wouldn't exceed 188 degrees, my truck would belch out black smoke at WOT, the 14 degree difference between the stock and Mishimoto is worth it.
I've waited a good long while for someone to develop such a thermostat for the 6.0 and Mishimoto has. Since installing it, my truck runs noticably better and temps do not exceed 200-2004 degrees cruising, my mileage is also up 1 mpg, and I see less smoke under WOT which in and of itself is proof the thermostat does what it says it does. With the stock thermostat that wouldn't exceed 188 degrees, my truck would belch out black smoke at WOT, the 14 degree difference between the stock and Mishimoto is worth it.
If you live in a warmer climate, tow heavy loads, or have issues keeping temperatures within reason, our low-temperature thermostat is set to activate at 185°F compared to the stock 192°F. That should help keep temperatures a bit lower for a truck experiencing this particular environment/operation.
Let us know if you have any additional questions!
Thanks
Well, I got the little jewel installed (what a joy that is on my truck).
Ambient air temp was 41*. SGII reported both sensors as 48* (14 hr. cold soak). Started the truck and let it idle until the temp "maxed" out at 152/132. Took it for about a 10 mile drive with the first 5 at 35-45 mph to warm the rest of her bones and it was in town. Hit the 65 mph zone at 190* and within less than a mile the thermostat opened at 204. Immediately dropped to 193 and maxed out at 200 until everything got fairly evenly warmed up. Holds at 198-200 and although I didn't drive enough to get the oil completely warmed up the oil temps were up 5-7 degrees from what they normally are. I'm currently waiting for a cool down so the coolant level will stabilize and I can finish topping it off.
The only thing I didn't like about the thermostat was the supplied gasket. Seems a little thin but after a little persuasion I managed to make it stay in the housing for the install. No leaks so far.
Ambient air temp was 41*. SGII reported both sensors as 48* (14 hr. cold soak). Started the truck and let it idle until the temp "maxed" out at 152/132. Took it for about a 10 mile drive with the first 5 at 35-45 mph to warm the rest of her bones and it was in town. Hit the 65 mph zone at 190* and within less than a mile the thermostat opened at 204. Immediately dropped to 193 and maxed out at 200 until everything got fairly evenly warmed up. Holds at 198-200 and although I didn't drive enough to get the oil completely warmed up the oil temps were up 5-7 degrees from what they normally are. I'm currently waiting for a cool down so the coolant level will stabilize and I can finish topping it off.
The only thing I didn't like about the thermostat was the supplied gasket. Seems a little thin but after a little persuasion I managed to make it stay in the housing for the install. No leaks so far.
I ordered the Mishimoto MMTS-F2D-03H from amazon and it didn't come with an o-ring. Emailed Mishimoto customer service and they sent me one quickly by US Postal Service.
I bought a new RT-1169 complete thermostat and housing from Ford and removed the thermostat.
Just placing the Mishimoto thermostat in the new housing with the pin in the receiving cup, the flange does not seal. The wing retainers are about 3/4" above the clips on the housing.
It takes a small amount of effort but the thermostat wings can be pushed down to slip into the housing clips. At first I thought it wouldn't go, but with some wiggling I got the wing and spring to clear the wider brass barrel. Part of the reason this first appears difficult I believe is because the winding of the spring on the Mishi decreases in diameter towards the wing and so it may get hung up as it tries to move past the wide barrel.
I put it in a pot of boiling water for about a minute or two. Took it out and the plate sealed up tight to the housing.
Off to install it in the truck and hopefully all will be well.
Thanks to the others who put all the time and effort into assembling the info and documenting the headaches for the community.
I bought a new RT-1169 complete thermostat and housing from Ford and removed the thermostat.
Just placing the Mishimoto thermostat in the new housing with the pin in the receiving cup, the flange does not seal. The wing retainers are about 3/4" above the clips on the housing.
It takes a small amount of effort but the thermostat wings can be pushed down to slip into the housing clips. At first I thought it wouldn't go, but with some wiggling I got the wing and spring to clear the wider brass barrel. Part of the reason this first appears difficult I believe is because the winding of the spring on the Mishi decreases in diameter towards the wing and so it may get hung up as it tries to move past the wide barrel.
I put it in a pot of boiling water for about a minute or two. Took it out and the plate sealed up tight to the housing.
Off to install it in the truck and hopefully all will be well.
Thanks to the others who put all the time and effort into assembling the info and documenting the headaches for the community.
Great, looking forward to your results.