If the next Super Duty had the same cab as the new F150, would you approve?
#16
I have a 2012 F250, when it came time to buy a new truck I did have a choice between a 150 and 250+, Being a taller guy at 6'4" the f150 cab was noticeably smaller. The body styles of the f150 at the time were also pretty weak where the super duty line evoked a more masculine aggressive look. I personally prefer the separate lines for that reason as most people probably don't care. It would be a shame if the two blended and the super duty lost its distinctive nature. That being said I can see how from a profit mined view it would make more sense. I would say its probably ok if they merge the cabs but only to make the f150's better and not water down the true truck like nature of the super duty line. The only other benefit from merging the cabs would be the ability to parts swap on a lesser models to a certain degree so that you could upgrade select components. Over all if they make the super duty line conform to the f150 standards of being weak looking and small then its a resounding NO!!
#17
Gotcha.
Rollerstud98 wants the Super Duty cab to be W-I-D-E-R than the F150 cab.
Let's look at how the previous generation 2014 F-150 cab interior seating width compares to the new generation 2015 F150, as well as the current generation 2014 Super Duty F-350:
Front Shoulder Room
2014 F-150 = 65.9
2015 F-150 = 66.7
2014 F-350 = 68.0
Rear Shoulder Room
2014 F-150 = 65.5
2015 F-150 = 65.9
2014 F-350 = 68.0
Front Hip Room
2014 F-150 = 60.5
2015 F-150 = 62.5
2014 F-350 = 67.6
Rear Hip Room
2014 F-150 = 64.5
2015 F-150 = 64.7
2014 F-350 = 67.6
Specifications Source: Ford Motor Company
So as we can see, in all the interior seating width dimensions, the new 2015 F-150 cab grew a bit wider than the outgoing 2014 F-150, but not quite as wide as the current generation Super Duty. The 2015 F150 falls somewhere in between, biased toward the narrow end of the scale, following the lineage of the vehicle it replaces. Is a cab that attempts to serve both needs good enough?
Doesn't sound like it. From a measurement point of view, it doesn't appear that the 2015 F-150 cab measures up to what people want in a full size one ton pickup.
And, from a purely aesthetics point of view, bluestang6614 prefers that Ford maintain separate lines, with a distinctly separate look.
Yet, take a look at the prototype photos.... look at the details... from dip down line at the top of the windshield, to the dip up doors at the rear of the crew cabs... and compare them to the photos of the new 2015 F-150. From seat to sill, one would be hard pressed to see any differences between them.
Rollerstud98 wants the Super Duty cab to be W-I-D-E-R than the F150 cab.
Let's look at how the previous generation 2014 F-150 cab interior seating width compares to the new generation 2015 F150, as well as the current generation 2014 Super Duty F-350:
Front Shoulder Room
2014 F-150 = 65.9
2015 F-150 = 66.7
2014 F-350 = 68.0
Rear Shoulder Room
2014 F-150 = 65.5
2015 F-150 = 65.9
2014 F-350 = 68.0
Front Hip Room
2014 F-150 = 60.5
2015 F-150 = 62.5
2014 F-350 = 67.6
Rear Hip Room
2014 F-150 = 64.5
2015 F-150 = 64.7
2014 F-350 = 67.6
Specifications Source: Ford Motor Company
So as we can see, in all the interior seating width dimensions, the new 2015 F-150 cab grew a bit wider than the outgoing 2014 F-150, but not quite as wide as the current generation Super Duty. The 2015 F150 falls somewhere in between, biased toward the narrow end of the scale, following the lineage of the vehicle it replaces. Is a cab that attempts to serve both needs good enough?
Doesn't sound like it. From a measurement point of view, it doesn't appear that the 2015 F-150 cab measures up to what people want in a full size one ton pickup.
And, from a purely aesthetics point of view, bluestang6614 prefers that Ford maintain separate lines, with a distinctly separate look.
Yet, take a look at the prototype photos.... look at the details... from dip down line at the top of the windshield, to the dip up doors at the rear of the crew cabs... and compare them to the photos of the new 2015 F-150. From seat to sill, one would be hard pressed to see any differences between them.
#18
#19
Really? I think the new Super Duty 2011+ looks the best it ever has. Look at the F150 headlights and then look at the 2015 F150 headlights. Take away the middle part and tell me they aren't related
#20
Ya I really do no like the 11+ grill and headlights. I have not liked certain models in the past but they have grown on me but these new trucks still haven't.
#21
After 15 years of product separations, I'm not so sure that Ford would benefit from a common design. To me, the front end of the SD line is plain ugly but it's Ford's trademark and it's stands out as it's intended to.
I don't like the headlights or the grill on the SD. Ford could have toned it down just a tad. Though there are millions of the trucks on the road, they seem to sit on the dealers lots for ever.
Could Ford benefit financially and pass the savings on the the consumer by implementing more common items such as doors, tailgates, glass, seats, dash layouts, etc?
F-series trucks only marginally outsell the GM twins. I like the direction that Ram and GM have gone with separating their HD versions from the half tons.
If Ford turned back now, it would look like they admitted that it didn't work. I driven a number of SD's over the years and I love em but it's way more truck than I need.
I think Ford should soldier on with the product separation but make the SD more visually appealing.
I don't like the headlights or the grill on the SD. Ford could have toned it down just a tad. Though there are millions of the trucks on the road, they seem to sit on the dealers lots for ever.
Could Ford benefit financially and pass the savings on the the consumer by implementing more common items such as doors, tailgates, glass, seats, dash layouts, etc?
F-series trucks only marginally outsell the GM twins. I like the direction that Ram and GM have gone with separating their HD versions from the half tons.
If Ford turned back now, it would look like they admitted that it didn't work. I driven a number of SD's over the years and I love em but it's way more truck than I need.
I think Ford should soldier on with the product separation but make the SD more visually appealing.
#22
I would say 100,000 trucks more is a little better the marginally better
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#23
I would say 100,000 trucks more is a little better the marginally better
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#24
IDK. I don't mind the old trucks having the same cab so I probably would be alright with it today, the actual cab sharing part.. but that said the current SD one looks much better than the F-150 one, so to go back using the F-150 cab they do today would be a downgrade, I don't like that part.
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#27
I don't know about the 15 f150's but my wife's 09 &14 seem to have a shorter rear window than my 11 f350. If the current cc sd could keep basically the same shape but have the same rear leg room as the 09-14 f150 would be awesome. That would be enough for me to trade my 11 for a 16 or 17.
#28
Whether its a new cab, or the same one as the F150, I wouldn't be overly concerned, I just hope they fix a few of the current super duty cab's shortcomings.
Passenger footwell - I get that the exhaust is routed there, but the intrusion it makes into the footwell is really annoying.
Glovebox - its tiny.
Windnoise around A-pillars. Having inlaid doors should fix this.
Large side panel at the bottom of the doors with no proper sealing.
Passenger footwell - I get that the exhaust is routed there, but the intrusion it makes into the footwell is really annoying.
Glovebox - its tiny.
Windnoise around A-pillars. Having inlaid doors should fix this.
Large side panel at the bottom of the doors with no proper sealing.
#29
In addition to higher priorities for occupant safety in roll overs, long term structural durability over years of cycle fatigue while working on unpaved job sites, and comfortable (read large, wide, FULL size as defined by the industry in the mid 1970's) cabs for big and tall full grown men, there is something else I'd like to see in the cabs of the next Super Duty...
A classic Ford design detail that is missing from the cabs of the 2015 F-150. and in fact has been MIA from the F-150 since 1997.
A cornerstone styling element that was erased from Ford truck design DNA that made the F-150 not really seem like a Ford truck.
An established Ford truck tradition... that was lost.
The front page of today's FTE website crystalized this missing tradition with images of Ford trucks from 1957, 1973, 1980, and 2015... all years when Ford introduced new body styles. Let's take a look at them right quick:
Now, I'm going to toss in a few more random pics of random Ford trucks to illustrate what is common about them, and what is missing from the 2015 F-150, and what, from a Ford truck brand identity perspective, might get lost in the next Super Duty, IF it follows the new F150.
So what defining design element do ALL of these Ford Trucks above have in common? From a little Ranger, to a big cab over engine Class 8 Semi, to an early Bronco, to an ancient 1936 pick up, to the current Super Duty today? In fact, what have all the Ford trucks of the last 50 years, from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and most of the 90's have in common, that was stripped from the F-150 in 1997, and remains missing on the new 2015 F-150 upcoming:
See it?
Of course you can't.
Because it isn't there.
The horizontal body crease, that flows from the top of the headlight and extends across the front fender and doors... and in the case of style side bed bodies, extends all the way back to the top of the tail light. It's gone.
That crease remains a key design distinction between the current Super Duty and the F-150... with the former carrying on the long standing tradition of Ford trucks, and the latter losing what made a Ford truck a Ford truck. Sort of like having a Ford emblem without the blue oval. It's just not quite Ford.
There have even been code words created to define the various characteristics of this design line. For example, we call the '73 thru '79 body style "dent sides" because the crease concaved inward into the body, in contrast to the previous design cycle, where the crease protruded from the body in a convex shape. Both types of creases could be adorned with or without bright trim, but they were there nonetheless, under the skin, in the bones, in the very DNA of a Ford truck.
Through all the front clip and grille refreshes of the 17 year life cycle of the 1980-1997 Ford trucks, and through all the front clip and grille refreshes of the 1999 through 2014 Super Duties, the body line from the top of the headlamp to the top of the tail lamp remained.
I've always wondered why I never really took to the newer F-150's. Even when they jettisoned the jelly bean and returned to the square boxy lines, there was a traditional Ford truck body line that was missing.
The question is, for the next design cycle of Super Duty, will this tradition remain?
Will Ford's stylists know where to draw the line?
A classic Ford design detail that is missing from the cabs of the 2015 F-150. and in fact has been MIA from the F-150 since 1997.
A cornerstone styling element that was erased from Ford truck design DNA that made the F-150 not really seem like a Ford truck.
An established Ford truck tradition... that was lost.
The front page of today's FTE website crystalized this missing tradition with images of Ford trucks from 1957, 1973, 1980, and 2015... all years when Ford introduced new body styles. Let's take a look at them right quick:
Now, I'm going to toss in a few more random pics of random Ford trucks to illustrate what is common about them, and what is missing from the 2015 F-150, and what, from a Ford truck brand identity perspective, might get lost in the next Super Duty, IF it follows the new F150.
So what defining design element do ALL of these Ford Trucks above have in common? From a little Ranger, to a big cab over engine Class 8 Semi, to an early Bronco, to an ancient 1936 pick up, to the current Super Duty today? In fact, what have all the Ford trucks of the last 50 years, from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and most of the 90's have in common, that was stripped from the F-150 in 1997, and remains missing on the new 2015 F-150 upcoming:
See it?
Of course you can't.
Because it isn't there.
The horizontal body crease, that flows from the top of the headlight and extends across the front fender and doors... and in the case of style side bed bodies, extends all the way back to the top of the tail light. It's gone.
That crease remains a key design distinction between the current Super Duty and the F-150... with the former carrying on the long standing tradition of Ford trucks, and the latter losing what made a Ford truck a Ford truck. Sort of like having a Ford emblem without the blue oval. It's just not quite Ford.
There have even been code words created to define the various characteristics of this design line. For example, we call the '73 thru '79 body style "dent sides" because the crease concaved inward into the body, in contrast to the previous design cycle, where the crease protruded from the body in a convex shape. Both types of creases could be adorned with or without bright trim, but they were there nonetheless, under the skin, in the bones, in the very DNA of a Ford truck.
Through all the front clip and grille refreshes of the 17 year life cycle of the 1980-1997 Ford trucks, and through all the front clip and grille refreshes of the 1999 through 2014 Super Duties, the body line from the top of the headlamp to the top of the tail lamp remained.
I've always wondered why I never really took to the newer F-150's. Even when they jettisoned the jelly bean and returned to the square boxy lines, there was a traditional Ford truck body line that was missing.
The question is, for the next design cycle of Super Duty, will this tradition remain?
Will Ford's stylists know where to draw the line?