stuck starter motor - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums



1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Fat Fendered and Classic Ford Trucks

stuck starter motor

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 07-18-2014, 10:18 AM
1949joe 1949joe is offline
New User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7
1949joe is starting off with a positive reputation.
stuck starter motor

Hi All,
I am trying to remove the starter motor on my 1949 F-1 flat head. It is stuck. I have removed the two long bolts to remove the housing, but it will not budge. What am I missing to get this starter off? I have tried tapping with a hammer, rocking the truck back and forth, moving the gear shifter, ...nothing. What is the process to remove? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Joe
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-18-2014, 10:20 AM
Doc's Avatar
Doc Doc is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: East KY
Posts: 4,329
Doc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud of
A bigger hammer......seriously. Welcome to the madness. Find two nuts to place on the ends of those bolts. Otherwise, the starter will fall apart after you get it out.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-18-2014, 10:31 AM
harleymsn's Avatar
harleymsn harleymsn is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Crossville, Tn
Posts: 3,330
harleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to all
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1949joe View Post
Hi All,
I am trying to remove the starter motor on my 1949 F-1 flat head. It is stuck. I have removed the two long bolts to remove the housing, but it will not budge. What am I missing to get this starter off? I have tried tapping with a hammer, rocking the truck back and forth, moving the gear shifter, ...nothing. What is the process to remove? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Joe
If this is a flathead 8, did you remove the bracket that bolts to the oil pan?




Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-18-2014, 10:36 AM
Doc's Avatar
Doc Doc is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: East KY
Posts: 4,329
Doc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud ofDoc has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by harleymsn View Post
If this is a flathead 8, did you remove the bracket that bolts to the oil pan?
LOL. That too.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-18-2014, 11:03 AM
50f6's Avatar
50f6 50f6 is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Michagin
Posts: 47
50f6 is starting off with a positive reputation.
I had a similar problem with my 50 6 cyl. I was trying to start it one day and nothing but clicking, I thought it might be the solenoid so I replaced it and found out that wasn't it. I found out the starter was stuck on the ring gear so I tried to remove the starter.I took the long bolts off and the one bracket to oil pan bolt. I had to pry the starter lose with a bar to get it loose, everything looked ok on the starter and ring gear. I put it back together and have started it over 50 times now and it starts fine
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-18-2014, 11:43 AM
1949joe 1949joe is offline
New User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7
1949joe is starting off with a positive reputation.
50f6, That is exactly what happened. ...not electrical, it's stuck.

I do not have a bracket attached to the oil pan. The housing is off. I welcome the starter falling apart, at least that would mean it's out. What holds the starter in place?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-18-2014, 11:53 AM
harleymsn's Avatar
harleymsn harleymsn is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Crossville, Tn
Posts: 3,330
harleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to all
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1949joe View Post
50f6, That is exactly what happened. ...not electrical, it's stuck.

I do not have a bracket attached to the oil pan. The housing is off. I welcome the starter falling apart, at least that would mean it's out. What holds the starter in place?
The bolts and the bracket are the only things that 'hold the starter in place'. You do have to wiggle it a bit to move the bendix clear of the ring gear. If it's not moving at all, it sounds like the bendix drive is stuck in the ring gear. I'd suggest sliding the case back on to protect the armature while you beat on it and pry the starter to free it.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-18-2014, 12:11 PM
harleymsn's Avatar
harleymsn harleymsn is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Crossville, Tn
Posts: 3,330
harleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to allharleymsn is a name known to all
Excuse the sloppy attempts to write with a cursor, but this will show you how the bendix actually goes behind the ring gear/flywheel. The drive slides away from the bendix to engage the gear, and the pressure from the gear spinning on it's own is supposed to allow the spring to push the drive gear back out of the way.

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-18-2014, 12:30 PM
1949joe 1949joe is offline
New User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7
1949joe is starting off with a positive reputation.
Harelymsn, Thanks for the replies. I'm at work now, but tonight I'll see what I can do to get this unstuck.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-18-2014, 12:59 PM
50f6's Avatar
50f6 50f6 is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Michagin
Posts: 47
50f6 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Joe, the two long bolts that go through the starter hold it to the bell housing. I couldn't believe ford would bolt it up this way but that's the way I found out and read it in the service book, mine came all apart but that's how I got it, off good luck
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-18-2014, 03:12 PM
1949joe 1949joe is offline
New User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7
1949joe is starting off with a positive reputation.
Thank you all, we'll see what tonight brings. I'll just break out the Thor hammer and see if I can't loosened it.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-19-2014, 12:02 AM
Osubuki's Avatar
Osubuki Osubuki is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 28
Osubuki is starting off with a positive reputation.
stuck starter motor

My Father and I have had this issue on a '53 sedan that we have. An old timer upholstery guy told me he has had this happen several times with flatheads over the years in his shop. He recommended putting the car in a higher speed gear and rocking it back and forth. In his experience this had freed the starter gear teeth off of the flywheel, the higher gear made it easier to move the car. He did this with out loosening or unbolting the starter.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-19-2014, 09:12 PM
1949joe 1949joe is offline
New User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7
1949joe is starting off with a positive reputation.
Well, I got the starter off. Rocking it back and forth while in third gear finally did it. Now for the "be careful for what you wish for" part. The unit did come apart and now I'm left with 4 brushes I can't get back together. There is an electrical repair shop not too far from me. They'll be getting a visit on Monday. This certainly has become a learning experience. Now, a related question, is there suppose to be oil or any lubricant where the starter gear meets the fly wheel? It's pretty dry in there. Is this the reason for it getting stuck?

Thanks to all who offer help.

Joe
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-20-2014, 02:58 PM
1949joe 1949joe is offline
New User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7
1949joe is starting off with a positive reputation.
Well, the puzzle is back together! Installed the starter, and as luck would have it, the engine turned over and fired right up. Now, if I only knew why it stuck in the first place. I also have a brand new, never used, Dennis Carpenter 12 volt starter motor. I am fairly certain they will not take back electrical parts. So,.. I have a spare.

Again, thanks to all who offered advice and expertise. Conclusion, just rock it AND do not remove the screws all the way.

Joe
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-20-2014, 03:59 PM
blsd49's Avatar
blsd49 blsd49 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sandpoint, in north Idaho
Posts: 300
blsd49 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Happens to my F 3 once in a great while. I put it in reverse and rock it. With the key off of course!
Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
In search of a replacement tranny Smoken Joe Arizona Chapter 4 01-15-2015 10:06 PM
Replacement Transmission Smoken Joe 1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 10 01-15-2015 09:24 AM
Hello everyone I'm joe Jafo56 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 40 10-08-2014 05:55 PM
1949 Ford F1 Differential jpn113 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 5 09-28-2014 11:25 PM
Head light switch removal - 1949 john fin 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 10 06-18-2007 11:40 AM


Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums >

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:57 PM.


This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.