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Old 07-15-2014, 04:23 PM
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Best turbo for engine rebuild? - Input Needed!

hey guys - i'm just recently back on the FTE wagon (or is it off? i guess depends on your perspective :-) ). you may have seen my diassembly thread (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/12...ly-thread.html), and i plan to start a rebuild thread soon, but will probably break out smaller threads like this in hopes of keeping it organized.

so, my general plan for the rebuild is to get into the 350 hp range with stage 2 injectors, T500 pump, intercooler, head studs, TS chip and a bigger turbo. i am budget constrained, though (arent we all?), and the turbo seems like the only place where there is a significant delta in cost vs performance. (with the others, sure you can pay more than Rosewood, or Terminator, but you don't get much/any more performance, so why would you?).

i was previously planning on going really cheap and using a stock SD turbo (since i need new manifolds anyway) that i already have, but it seems that to avoid bad surge/flutter/whatever-you-want-to-call-it with stage 2's, i'd be spending close to $300-400 in a WickedWheel2 and WasteGate Master, not counting a hundred or so for up-pipes, and then another couple hundred (or fabbing) a spider.

Sooo, why not go with a S366 or something similar that i thought i remember can be had for $600 or so (or am i dreaming?). i'd then have to DIY the mount and up-pipe setup, as well as the spider, but it should be a much better set up overall with that sort of turbo, right? Plus, i can do alot of the fab work needed at work, pretty much just paying for materials and/or using scrap from work.

well, let me know what you guys think. and if you have any preferred vendors for this turbo (or similar). i'll have to dig up Bill's DIY turbo mount thread and maybe just start copying his parts list to figure on costs. if the turbo itself turns out to be closer to $1000 though, i'll have to consider sticking with the SD turbo for now...

as a little background, here's a thread a started a while ago on the SD forum to get some input from those guys on their turbo: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/12...obs-guy-3.html

edit: maybe not $600, but some quick googling brough me to this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BorgWarner-A...-/300820496156. would this be something that would work well on our trucks with the setup proposed above, or would i be looking for a different A/R or something? Bill - is this the one you used? still liking/running it?

edit2: sorry, i can't help myself. would this work on my set-up: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTT-BIG-BAD-...99306&vxp=mtr? looks like a SD turbo drop in, which i could swing. never heard of "Big Bad Wolf" turbo's before. ...i really hate that i know nothing about turbo's and can't seem to make sense of all the specs. feels like trying to read another language...
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I don't think that last turbo is one you want. If you look up Bill's thread, I put a lot of measurements in there off of mine to kind of give him a good starting point on the S366. If you'd need anything else I'd do what I could to help you out with measurements, etc.

You don't need stage 2's for 350hp. I will bet any money I'm real close to 400 at the wheels with just stage ones. If you have all the supporting mods, you'll get there.

Good luck with your decision and build JP!
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thanks Darin.

this is Bill's thread with the turbo DIY work in it, right? http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/12...ld-thread.html

its over 100 pages long, though!!! i'll have to click through it tonight to find the turbo stuff :-)
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Ya, I'm pretty sure that's it JP. It shouldn't be too far into the thread. I don't know for sure though, a lot of BS'n can happen in some threads!
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Thanks again, Darin. There sure was some epic BS'n in that thread. But there's no such thing as bad BS'n among friends!

As for the 350 hp stage 2's note of yours - I guess I should have been clearer. I don't really a set number, just looking to build a good cost effective system. And since Jim's stage 2's are the same price as all other complete rebuilds (right?) them why not put them in even if ip never do completely utilize them...
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I guess I should have been clearer. I don't really a set number, just looking to build a good cost effective system. And since Jim's stage 2's are the same price as all other complete rebuilds (right?) them why not put them in even if ip never do completely utilize them...
The only thing about the stage 2's and someone correct me if I am wrong, is it will be I more of a challenge to clean up the smoke. It's one thing I didn't think about when I ordered mine and now I am questioning that decision.
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I see what you are saying. Well, with Jim's stage 2's and the 366, you'll have no problem making 350hp..
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Nick, I think its all in the tuning. The 2's should help spool the turbo a little faster and clean the smoke up more. If you lug it, you're gonna smoke with any upgraded injector.
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The only thing about the stage 2's and someone correct me if I am wrong, is it will be I more of a challenge to clean up the smoke. It's one thing I didn't think about when I ordered mine and now I am questioning that decision.
Wouldn't that be a tuning thing from there moose? I obviously haven't thought it all through yet, but I'd like to have an everyday driving "stage one tune", then an "all out who cares about smoke, efficiency, etc" tune.

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I see what you are saying. Well, with Jim's stage 2's and the 366, you'll have no problem making 350hp..
:-) that's the plan! I have a feeling that I'll learn real quick why people want to do live tuning! But from where I sit today, that seems like a fun problem to have...
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JP, Travis once said that the II's deliver the fuel faster, that's the only difference from the I's. PM is going to be sent.
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StageI's, s366, correct supporting mods and good tuning can make 400hp easy
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JP, Travis once said that the II's deliver the fuel faster, that's the only difference from the I's. PM is going to be sent.
Correct larger nozzles = injector will empty faster
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Every once in awhile I will learn and retain something on here Mike! LOL
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Do the 366!!!
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