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but who can afford $65,000 for a truck?
All the people who buy them, the point is how much of that $65K is CAFE adjustment, EPA mandated equipment, and additional funds for expected EPA mandated warranty repairs.
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The 6.7 gets double the MPG of the IDI or the 7.3 PSD?


I keep thinking about getting back into a diesel, but between the cost of fuel and maintenance as a result of the EPA, I can't quite justify it.
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The 6.7 gets double the MPG of the IDI or the 7.3 PSD?
nope. it gets about the same as my IDI, and a little more than the 7.3 PSD.
my IDI with banks turbo gets around 15-16, and the PSD gets around 14
the 2010 and 2013 F-550 4X4 4Dr trucks get between 9 and 11 mpg loaded at 20,000 lbs, the 2014 F-350 gets 15-16mpg.
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but who can afford $65,000 for a truck?
i can't even comprehend it,let alone afford that.to me that's so insane even if i had the $ to waste.

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Not when you can buy a replacement that gets twice the MPG.
31 years and they haven't even matched the economy of the 1983 6.9l diesel,first dropped into an f-series truck.a far cry from double.it's outright pathetic and they should be ashamed.
your not going to buy anything short of a little car that can double the economy.modern diesel trucks don't deliver the economy they should.the EPA and the power wars has crippled rational thinking and progression.

diesel trucks with their price tags and higher cost of fuel and maintenance are not,and have not been worth buying for the working class for a long while now.since the 6.0 was introduced.
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Another group of vehicles that are waivered or need to be - all those MRAPS or whatever they are called, apparently DOD is going to retain title of them to get around pollution req's. Before I bought the Ranger had looked around for a small diesel truck and discovered none are really made here in America. Strange.

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When I said double I was getting at something like what Tedster9 said. We don't have many small diesels cause of EPA regulations. Look at the offerings even from ford in other countries.

My understanding is back in the day Ford was on track to go into production on a small diesel for the F150 and Expedition but was forced to stop by the new regs that went into effect in 2007.

As for diesel pickups I think the technology exists for an F350 to get 30, maybe even 40. IMO a combination of high temps, hybrid turbo tech, miller cycle, variable valve timing, electronic common rail injection, and many gear transmissions could get it there. In particular if matched with aero upgrades, an air dam and under pan.

Toss in a hybrid system much like is used in modern F1 cars and you'd really get there.
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Well - I was looking for a diesel that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and a second mortgage. All that stuff sounds pretty goldanged expensive!

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just buy an old ford diesel. the tempo cars got 40+ mpg. same with the first gen ranger diesels.

or an old gas car. 60's falcons with a six cylinder would regularly get 30+ mpg.
heck, even my 65 289 4 barrel falcon with auto trans gets 25 MPG if you do not open the secondaries.
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No no.. Small diesel *truck*, nobody makes one for US market.

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Currently no, IIRC there was some Isuzus in the late 80's early 90s, There's the Volkswagon things, and I think there was a diesel Luv.
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Yeah, that's what torqued me off. Then found it was simply bureaucratic BS.

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Epa will most likely never go away either.
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Just stumbled on that Ford did a diesel ranger in the 80s.
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Just stumbled on that Ford did a diesel ranger in the 80s.
yup, that is why i mentioned it in my post this morning.
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Sure, was looking for current production small pickup though. it doesn't make any sense that these are verboten.
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