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No, none of the windows are down. I unscrewed the handle and took it out and replaced it after soaking it with pbblaster with no luck.

I have decided that I would like to keep the 337 and get a transmission that will bolt up to it.
I just can't really find what transmission that will be. I have posted a few pictures below, I will gladly post more if you will let me know what you want to see.

You are right about the condition of the metal. For being 67 yrs old, this thing has very little bad metal on it. In contrast, my 1980 CJ had TONS of rotten, rusty metal that had to be cut out and patched.

When I get to that point, I might ask you to point me in the right direction to convert the engine to 12 volt if that is okay.

Anyways, here are some pics of the underside:












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If you can put up with a standard transmission with a non-synchronized first gear, the original Lincoln overdrive transmission is hard to beat. If you want an automatic you probably should find the parts required to install the four speed hydromatic that was option behind these engines.

The back of the block has its own bolt pattern. I am not aware of any other engines with identical bell housing bolt patterns. The transmission bolt pattern on the bell housing you have is for the Lincoln overdrive (passenger car) transmission. It may be possible to use one of the later "dual-pattern" Ford transmissions on that bell housing, but I'm not sure. I would stay away from the truck bell housing.
 
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Yeah I'd rather have a standard transmission.

Any ideas on how to find one? Anyone know the specific model or name of the transmission?
 
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Does the speedway Flat to trimec bellhouse fit the merc? Pattern looks the same from what I can see?
 
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Another option for a tranny is a 4 speed toploader from a mid to late 60's or so Ford car. They are strong and have the dual bell housing mounting bolt pattern so it will bolt up to the existing narrow bell housing bolt patern. I believe the input bearing retainer has to be turned down a small amount. You can even bolt on (with only minor grinding to the inside of the case) a top shifter from a T-176 Jeep trans which will place the shifter in about the same place as the original 4 speed crash box. Only real issue is the e brake. Don't know if the '47's had the trans mounted e brake or not. If so you would have to go with a pinion mount assembly. PM me if you want a photo or 2 of a toploader with the jeep shifter installed. I have a wide ratio one out of a Mustang ready to install in my '40 1 1/2 ton as soon as I get around to fabricating a new trans mount. In my case the e brake isn't a problem since the truck has a 3 speed Watson auxiliary trans with the e brake mounted to it.
 
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Any ideas where to source a transmission? I'm struggling trying to find one?
 
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Originally Posted by Gigemags05
Any ideas where to source a transmission? I'm struggling trying to find one?
It probably came with a 4 speed transmission. Since it doesn't have synchromesh, it isn't a real popular transmission. So once people find that you have a truck you will probably get offers to sell or give you a 4 speed transmission. A guy asked if I wanted to buy 3 of them for $100 a few years ago, so now I have 3 spares. Since then I've turned down additional offers of additional free or low cost transmissions.

Check the Early Ford V8 club web site for any regional groups in your area. The people you meet through the V8 club will be a great resource for finding parts and knowledge of how things work.

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In my case the e brake isn't a problem since the truck has a 3 speed Watson auxiliary trans with the e brake mounted to it.
Hey, another Watson owner. My COE has a Watson 3 speed behind the 4 speed.

Do you know if the Watson was offered as an option by Ford? Or was it always an after market add-on?

Since my 47 COE is a working truck, and I live in the hills, I can't imagine getting by without the Watson.

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That's right, I have a 65 T-10 Top loader 4 speed with the duel bolt pattern, and they are tough as nails, other option may be speedway bellhouse, and Borg Warn/Trimec 5 speed
 
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Hey, another Watson owner. My COE has a Watson 3 speed behind the 4 speed.

Do you know if the Watson was offered as an option by Ford? Or was it always an after market add-on?

Since my 47 COE is a working truck, and I live in the hills, I can't imagine getting by without the Watson.

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Don't know about an actual Ford option. Mine was obviously installed after market. Only issue with it is that somehow it gets water in it after it sits outside in the rain for a while.
 
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That's right, I have a 65 T-10 Top loader 4 speed with the duel bolt pattern, and they are tough as nails, other option may be speedway bellhouse, and Borg Warn/Trimec 5 speed
Since this is a Lincoln 337 I think the bell housings are different.
 
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The Lincoln overdrive transmission is a Borg-Warner T85B. These are fairly easy to identify since the input shaft is much larger diameter with fewer splines (1 3/8 inch with 10 spline if I remember correctly) than any other T85 I have seen.

edit: here is what the transmission you need looks like: http://www.hemmings.com/parts/item/T...-for/5497.html
 
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Wow thanks. That's exactly what I need. Too bad he's in ohio.
 
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Looks like a nice, straight Ford. I agree with most of the guys...keep the flathead! I am working on a 1946 1.5 ton in not as good of shape as yours. Definitely make the change to 12 volt. You can keep the existing 6 volt starter and it will turn over much faster for easier starts, just don't crank for a long time or you could burn it up. Macs Auto Parts carries the 1 wire alternator mounted on the correct bracket to replace the generator. If the original wiring harness is no longer good (most this old are not) you can replace it with a Kwik Wire (888-994-9913) harness as I am in the process of doing. If the original harness is serviceable, it can be used with a resistor or two and the voltage regulator removed. Hope this helps. Good luck.
 
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Sorry, one more thing. I purchased a Ford Service Manual from Macs Auto Parts. An earlier post was correct, there was no service manual for '46 to '48...except in Canada, and they have it.
 


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