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But he wouldn't be able to tell if I was factory or not. Since you could get a BKO with a 351.
VIN number tells all
 
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I know diehard ford people who can't tell the difference, and there are a lot of people on this forum that need help.
The intake is only a little wider. The height difference isn't much. The actual height of the engine from frame rails to top of intake, is actually the same. Ford made the lower intake with no rise, so that the efi 351 and 302 required the same height, so the 351 fits in the van just as easily as the 302.
If the upper intake didn't say 5.8 on it, I'd bet that the inspector wouldn't notice. Mostly because all the front accessories cover the telltale block differences, and all the smog and solenoids and coil are in exact same locations. Same looking fuel rail, sensors, and intake.

All the smog inspectors I've dealt with, are only looking for aftermarket stuff. I've had to produce many CARB stickers to prove an item is ok to have. Never was questioned about if engine was original to the vehicle.
 
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I don't even think VA does emissions testing. It's just a visual inspection of the underbody and then they start it up, check lights and stuff.
 
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I know diehard ford people who can't tell the difference, and there are a lot of people on this forum that need help.
The intake is only a little wider. The height difference isn't much. The actual height of the engine from frame rails to top of intake, is actually the same. Ford made the lower intake with no rise, so that the efi 351 and 302 required the same height, so the 351 fits in the van just as easily as the 302.
If the upper intake didn't say 5.8 on it, I'd bet that the inspector wouldn't notice. Mostly because all the front accessories cover the telltale block differences, and all the smog and solenoids and coil are in exact same locations. Same looking fuel rail, sensors, and intake.

All the smog inspectors I've dealt with, are only looking for aftermarket stuff. I've had to produce many CARB stickers to prove an item is ok to have. Never was questioned about if engine was original to the vehicle.
Carb stickers? Ouch! California?

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. An inspector who looks at engines all day long should be able to easily spot the difference...
An inspector who looks at this stuff all day long tends to "zone out" and miss the obvious. Putting something over on him would depend on what tine of the day it is in my opinion. Government workers tend to be lazier than others.
 
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I am a smog inspector for New York and it only matters that the vehicle passes through the computer for the '96 model year.
 
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Anybody know any good literature for building/rebuilding these engines? Something that has torque specs for internals, talks about cams and heads, valve sizes and porting; something kinda in depth.
 
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Anybody know any good literature for building/rebuilding these engines? Something that has torque specs for internals, talks about cams and heads, valve sizes and porting; something kinda in depth.
There are Haynes/Chilton manuals dedicate to these engines.
 
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Oh dang. I thought they just did vehicle specific manuals.

Edit: Google and Amazon found nothing but the vehicle specific manuals, nothing engine specific.
 
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SA design has some awesome books. Here's one

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=400757660793
 
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There are many books, but keep in mind they're all chock full of mistakes as far as specific parts and their numbers go. Misplaced pictures too. Best thing to do is get em all and read them all to weed out what info is incorrect. The most "correct" book on the late model SBF is Ford's own "Mustang 5.0" tech reference manual and handbook. It's not complete, but the info has been edited so you won't find the mistakes the others have. SA's books are the ones **** full of mistakes, yet they are handy to have as a reference. Haynes and Chilton ? They're good for the torque specs, the old "Motor Repair Manuals" are even better, lots of more detailed specs in them. The most useful I've found is the 1964-1970 manual, you can still find it on BN.com or ebay.
 
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Is $300 a fair price for a '94 roller block with crank, pistons, no heads or intake, and no pan?

And for the 351 swap, it's just the ECM that needs to be replaced to get full potential from it, right?
 
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Is $300 a fair price for a '94 roller block with crank, pistons, no heads or intake, and no pan?

And for the 351 swap, it's just the ECM that needs to be replaced to get full potential from it, right?
Might be where you are. I paid $325 for a fairly complete 97 roller 351 and the 2WD ZF 5 speed it was bolted to, two years ago at a local pick-n-pull. Course, I had to pull the engine out too.
 
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Yeah this is sitting on a stand painted already.
 
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Check the block for cracks before you buy it...

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