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I've been having trouble finding a radiator for my truck. There have been some things I've found, but I'm not 100% sure they fit my application.

'69 2WD F100 with a 300 engine, no AC or PS.

I see LMC has one, but I'm not totally sure on their quality. That, and they're a middleman so there's got to be a cheaper one somewhere.

Same thing with the fan shroud. I can't seem to find one for the 300. Knowing the part number would probably help me a lot. I currently have no shroud so I can't exactly go out and look.

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Why not get your original radiator re-cored?
I have the original 1972 360 radiator in my truck. Had the local shop check it out when I did the motor swap. Never overheats.
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Why not get your original radiator re-cored?
I have the original 1972 360 radiator in my truck. Had the local shop check it out when I did the motor swap. Never overheats.
Where the left side transmission cooler line connects, I cracked it. A new bung welded on plus a re-core would end up costing the exact same as say a new one from LMC. I'd probably end up taking it down to the States though to save some money.

I have no problem having mine rebuilt if I can't find a new one, but I'm exploring my options.
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Where the left side transmission cooler line connects, I cracked it. A new bung welded on plus a re-core would end up costing the exact same as say a new one from LMC. I'd probably end up taking it down to the States though to save some money.

I have no problem having mine rebuilt if I can't find a new one, but I'm exploring my options.
Cost shouldn't factor in when you're buying a cheaper quality radiator for less money.
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I've been having trouble finding a radiator for my truck. There have been some things I've found, but I'm not 100% sure they fit my application.

'69 2WD F100 with a 300 engine, no AC or PS.

I see LMC has one, but I'm not totally sure on their quality. That, and they're a middleman so there's got to be a cheaper one somewhere.

Same thing with the fan shroud. I can't seem to find one for the 300. Knowing the part number would probably help me a lot. I currently have no shroud so I can't exactly go out and look.

Thanks for the help!
The Current DC catalog only shows one shroud for 1969 F-100. It's Casting # D3TZ-8146-B, $120. They'v got the "CAUTION FAN" warning sticker too (sold seperate).

Sez it's for the 302 V8, with or without A/C

If that 300 is an I6, this probably isn't the beast you're looking for.
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A lot will depend on what size radiator you have currently and how it mounts. If you have the larger radiator like mine then the box stores all have the wrong one. They only have the one for the narrow opening. On the large one, bolt holes are 28 1/2 across and 11 inches apart vertically. I was lucky enough to get a replacement from a fellow FTE'er MavSprint. It is for an auto and has these #'s on the sticker.


Hope it helps. If you are interested in the aluminum replacement I can grab the #'s of the box he sent it in.
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The Current DC catalog only shows one shroud for 1969 F-100. Its part number: D3TZ-8146-B $120.

Sez it's for the 302 V8, with or without A/C.
I just went online and found that DC has three fan shrouds listed for 1968/72's and etc. The same info is listed in his 2011 bound paper catalog edition.

C7TZ-8146-B .. Fan Shroud-Use with Super Cooling Radiator / Marked with ID engineering number: C7TA-8146-H or D2TA-8146-HA or D3TA-8146-JA

Applications: 1967 F100/350 352 / 1968/76 F100/350 360/390.
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D3TZ-8146-B .. Fan Shroud (this 1973 part number replaced a 1969 part number, but I couldn't find it) / Only marked ID number I could find: D3TA-CA

Applications: 1969/70 F100 302 / 1971 F100 302 before serial number L60,001 / 1971 F100 302 with Xtra Cooling and/or A/C from serial number L80,001 & ditto 1972 F100 302.

1973/77 F100/150 302 with Xtra Cooling & A/C / 1978/79 F100/150 302 with A/C
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D3TZ-8146-C (replaced C8TZ-8146-K) .. Fan Shroud / Marked C8TA-8146-S or D3TA-8146-DA

Applications: 1968/76 F100/350 360/390 with standard/Xtra Cooling & A/C radiators. Not used with Super Cooling Radiator.
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C8TZ-8146-J .. Fan Shroud / Obsolete

1968 F100/250 240/300 4WD & F350 240/300 with A/C / 1969/72 F100/350 240/300 with A/C.

Since the radiator support is the same 1967/72 F100/350 without Super Cooling Radiator, D3TZ-8146-C could be used in lieu of C8TZ-8146-J

D3TZ-8146-C will also fit 1965/66 F100/250 240/300/352 like it was made for them.
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Cost shouldn't factor in when you're buying a cheaper quality radiator for less money.
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A lot will depend on what size radiator you have currently and how it mounts. If you have the larger radiator like mine then the box stores all have the wrong one. They only have the one for the narrow opening. On the large one, bolt holes are 28 1/2 across and 11 inches apart vertically. I was lucky enough to get a replacement from a fellow FTE'er MavSprint. It is for an auto and has these #'s on the sticker.

Hope it helps. If you are interested in the aluminum replacement I can grab the #'s of the box he sent it in.
I'll have to go measure mine after work tomorrow when it's daylight out to see which one I have, but I would absolutely love to have an aluminum replacement. However, I have the 300 and as I understand it the V8 and the I6 engines have their radiator hose inlet and outlet holes on opposing and matching sides, respectfully, so if you have the V8 it would not be the same.

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C8TZ-8146-J .. Fan Shroud / Obsolete

1968 F100/250 240/300 4WD & F350 240/300 with A/C / 1969/72 F100/350 240/300 with A/C.

Since the radiator support is the same 1967/72 F100/350 without Super Cooling Radiator, D3TZ-8146-C could be used in lieu of C8TZ-8146-J

D3TZ-8146-C will also fit 1965/66 F100/250 240/300/352 like it was made for them.
My worry though would be if the engine fan would properly fit inside the shroud as the 300 seems to be offset an inch or two to the passenger side.

It almost seems as though it would be easier for me to switch to electric fans.

Again, I'll take a better look at my radiator tomorrow to see which one I have, but since the truck is so bare bones it seems like the el cheapo first owner wouldn't have payed up for a bigger radiator. I'm pretty sure the only option he ordered was to have gauges instead of dummy lights.

Where on the radiator should I look for the engineering number?
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I just went online and found that DC has three fan shrouds listed for 1968/72's and etc. The same info is listed in his 2011 bound paper catalog edition.
Maybe I should complain to DC that they haven't sent me their entire catalog.

BTW, DC calls it a "casting number" in the catalog (not a "part number"). I was careful to quote them accurately.

The only other shroud that covers 1969 in the current catalog is for the F350.
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Measured my rad. Bolt holes are what appear to be 25 1/2" across and 11" apart vertically. Seems as though I have the plain Jane radiator. I'll likely just have it rebuilt though. It still works after 45 years, I'm sure it can work for another few after a rebuild.
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If no heating problems and no AC why do you want a shroud? as the only trucks that,
I come across that have one on is the trucks with AC.

My truck when, I got it had a 300 I6 with out having one. And the fan was a good 5" inches from the radiator. Plus living in an area of Calif. low desert where the summers where up in the temp of 112-117* and never over heated. My engine temp never got over 210 off roading even.

I later installed 67 390 that came out of a car that had a clutch fan setup. Yeah changed to the supper cool radiator no shroud and fan was still 4"+ inches from the radiator. And still this motors temp never never went past 210* playing in the summer heat of the desert.
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Since then, I have installed AC and a shroud a few yrs ago.. And with a shroud my temp runs 185 normally and don't get over 190.

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Maybe I should complain to DC that they haven't sent me their entire catalog.

BTW, DC calls it a "casting number" in the catalog (not a "part number"). I was careful to quote them accurately.

The only other shroud that covers 1969 in the current catalog is for the F350.
When I read your post 5, I went to DC's website (dennis-carpenter.com) and got the info, then posted it.

It's the same info as in my 1967/79 (2011 edition bound paper) truck repro parts catalog I got from DC's 'road man' Pat Ford, at the 2012 F100 Western Nationals.

I can't help it that DC calls the part number a casting number! All FoMoCo's shrouds are marked at the upper left corner with an ID engineering number.

Casting numbers are foundry marks, cannot be crossed over to Ford part numbers. No fan shroud that I'm aware of is cast.
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When I read your post 5, I went to DC's website (dennis-carpenter.com) and got the info, then posted it.
You did more than that. You changed what I said, and therefore made my statement inaccurate. All you had to say was "In addition to that, a visit to their web site shows two additional shrouds..."

In the future, don't put words into my mouth. It's distasteful and not hygienic.

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It's the same info as in my 1967/79 (2011 edition bound paper) truck repro parts catalog I got from DC's 'road man' Pat Ford, at the 2012 F100 Western Nationals.
I don't really care if the new catalog is more accurate that the web site (or vice versa). Shall we speculate on why they are no longer shown in the catalog? It would be a waste of time, especially since the shroud I mentioned seems to be a red herring for the OP.

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I can't help it that DC calls the part number a casting number! All FoMoCo's shrouds are marked at the upper left corner with an ID engineering number.
When you order from DC, use their nomenclature. If you have a problem with that, it's pointless to complain to me about it, 'cuz I don't have the power to change their system. If you don't like the message, don't shoot the messenger.

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Casting numbers are foundry marks, cannot be crossed over to Ford part numbers. No fan shroud that I'm aware of is cast.
After a quick check of the catalog, it looks like the shrouds are the ONLY place where they use the phrase "casting number" (instead of "part #"). My guess is that they use that terminology because they are cast from plastic (probably in injection molds, but they might be spin-cast). I didn't see any parts that would have logically been cast in an iron foundry, so I couldn't check the terminology they use for those.

So if I had used the 'correct terminology' (according to Ford), the OP would have possibly had a hard time trying to find out if the DC part I was referring to was appropriate for his application. Are we to inconvenience ourselves and each other just to suit your communications standards? That doesn't always work, even when you're dealing solely with Ford parts.

I've taken Ford parts to the Ford parts counter, told what make, model and year I got it from, only to be told "It's obsolete". The parts man then took the sample with him back into the stacks and found the exact part. In contemporary parlance, the part was a "washer" instead of a "spacer". Gee, thanks.
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You did more than that. You changed what I said, and therefore made my statement inaccurate. All you had to say was "In addition to that, a visit to their web site shows two additional shrouds...
Read my posts 7 and 12 again...carefully. In post 5 you typed what Carpenter claimed was the casting number, I said it was the part number. And that's the ONLY thing in your post that I changed.

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I made an accurate statement, why did you have to change it?
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