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Old 05-09-2014, 07:34 PM
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does vin plate have GVWR on it?

Sorry to ask such a dumb question but my truck is not local for me to inspect. I'm in the process of transferring the title of a '97 F-250HD to Pennsylvania, but the fact sheet provided by PennDOT says:

When completing Section A of Form MV-1, the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) must be verified to ensure that the number listed on the out-of-state title matches the number on the vehicle’s VIN plate. A VIN plate tracing must be attached to the reverse side of the white copy of all MV-1 applications for PA certificates of title for the following vehicles:

1.All trucks or truck tractors - VIN plate tracings of trucks should contain the:
  • a.Complete Vehicle Identification Number
  • b.Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)
  • c.Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR)
2.All motor homes.
3.All vehicles previously titled in another state.

I'm having my dad (current owner of the truck) get a rubbing of the VIN, but I've never seen a dashboard VIN plate with GVWR listed on it before. If that doesn't have it listed, what other plate is on the truck that has the VIN, GVWR and is embossed so a rubbing can be made? Thanks for the help.
 
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NO, the Vin tag does NOT have anything other than the VIN.
The ONLY place on the truck that have the GVW is on the door jam sticker.
but no need for that since it is not a TRUCK(tandem, tri axle or tractor trailer)
 
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I was wondering about that, since the VIN on a Ford pickup should have the GVWR specified by the fourth digit...
 
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I was wondering about that, since the VIN on a Ford pickup should have the GVWR specified by the fourth digit...
No, that just says what series it is(f150, f250, f350 etc)
 
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Where in pa are you.

Also, when filling out title firm they will ask curb weight and gvw. Make sure you are close on curb weight and over estimate gvw. My buddy's e99 f350 is titled for only 7k and my 90 f150 is titled at 9k. I'm not sure if getting it titled higher costs more money, but I think registration cost goes by gvw maybe. (Or am I thinking Maine)
Maybe brad can elaborate. It was 3 years ago when I retitled from Maine. I can't remember.
 
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Registration cost indeed goes by GVWR (and pickup trucks are considered trucks by PennDOT, which is why this whole thing matters). This truck is 8800, so would be class 3 under PennDOT schedule of fees.

edit; I'm in Allentown.
 
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registered weight effect the cost

Class 1 5,000lbs or less =$58.50 per year(my ranger is here)
class 2 5,001-7,000lbs = $81.00
Class 3 7,001- 9,000lbs = $153.00
Class 4A 9,001-10,000lbs = $198.00 (One of my F350s is registered here)
Class 4B 10,001-11,000lbs =$198.00 (yes same cost)
class 5 11,001-14,000lbs = $243.00
class 6 14,001-17,000lbs = $288.00
class 7 17,001-21,000lbs = $355.50
Class 8 21,001-26,000lbs =$405.00(My F250 crew cab is registered here)

And if you want, you can register the truck for class1 but you would be over weight empty, but you can still do it
Typically to change the GVW you need a MV-41 form filled out by a inspection station
 
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My main concern here is I want to make sure I have all required documentation when I hit the notary to get the title transferred and a plate issued. The truck is still in NC, I want the plate to drive it home legally. But with my luck, if I don't get a rubbing with the GVWR on it, the notary won't complete the transfer
 
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If you have the original owners manual, you may still have the "spare" vin tag in it. You could get it mailed to you.

That's what it is. Make sure your title is high gvw, then register it where you want. That way you don't need the mv-41 later. I think.
 
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All you need is a vin tracing. OR a notarized title. Go to a different notary if they want more
 
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Originally Posted by Diesel_Brad
All you need is a vin tracing. OR a notarized title. Go to a different notary if they want more
Since NC requires a notarized seller's signature, it will already be notarized when I take it to a PA notary. I will also have a dash VIN plate rubbing. My dad made the rubbing with the windshield out during replacement, made it a lot easier!
 
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When I titled my VARIOUS trucks from out of state IF the truck was not present at the notary all they needed was a vin tracing. THANKFUL for you, you had the windshield out, otherwise you would have been screwed.

A local notary to me suggested if I could not get a rubbing would be to MAKE a vin number from a piece of aluminum and number punches.

I had even a better idea An Embossed label maker. PERFECT numbers and they letters are RAISED just like the factory vin tag
Amazon.com: DYMO Organizer Xpress Embossing Label Maker: Office Products Amazon.com: DYMO Organizer Xpress Embossing Label Maker: Office Products

If you want to just please your notary(even though they don't need it)
Just make a fictitious label with what they "want", trace it and give it to them
 
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That label maker is a great idea.
It was a pain to get the rubbing of my buddies truck.
My grandfather ordered my truck new, and ford back then gave an extra vin plate with the owners manual. I still had that piece and my vin rubbing was super easy.
 
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Thanks for the ideas, folks! With any luck I'll have the notarized title and VIN rubbing by the end of this coming week. I'll let you know if I encounter any trouble with the transfer.
 
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Just wanted to give an update, I finally went to get the title transferred. The first notary I went to, REFUSED to transfer the title without a Verification of GVWR form filled out and signed by a certified PA inspection mechanic. I went to another notary and she just looked up the GVWR on her computer, and processed the transfer without any fuss (she did make a photocopy of the photo my dad took of the door jamb sticker; she said it wasn't really necessary but Harrisburg likes documentation when it's available).

So next week, I'll be heading down to get the truck and drive it back home.
 


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