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Old 07-05-2014, 09:45 PM
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Ok ARP 7.3 Stud detail time....


These are the 8740 190Kpsi bulk studs that you get through Typ4 or R&D....

7.000" @0ft/lbs
7.014" @90ft/lbs
7.015" @100ft/lbs
7.017" @110ft/lbs
7.019" @120ft/lbs
7.020" @130ft/lbs
7.022" @140ft/lbs
7.023" @150ft/lbs
Check- No stretch- 7.000" @0ft/lbs
7.023" @150ft/lbs
7.023" @160ft/lbs
7.026" @170ft/lbs
7.028" @180ft/lbs
Check- .005" stretch- 7.005" @0ft/lbs
7.028" @180ft/lbs
7.031" @190ft/lbs
7.038" @200ft/lbs

Got 1 click at 210ft/lbs of torque, and then it just kept turning...

By these results, I would say that its plenty safe to go to 160ft/lbs without stretching the stud, and probably up to 180ft/lbs if you really wanted to chance it.

I wanted to test the 7.3 head bolt tonight, but just didn't feel like it, so Ill do that tomorrow along with the 9/16" head stud.
 
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Old 07-06-2014, 01:00 AM
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Hmmm that is interesting. Thanks for all the updates and research! You have truly pushed the idi platform to new levels! I look forward to seeing what the 9/16 studs do. That should allow for some nice holding strength.
 
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Ok Stock 7.3 Head bolt detail... And actually surprising.... To me anyway...

6.425" @0ft/lbs
6.441" @65ft/lbs
6.446" @85ft/lbs
6.448" @105ft/lbs
6.451" @110ft/lbs..... Spec
6.453" @120ft/lbs
Check- .005" stretch- 6.430" @0ft/lbs
6.453" @120ft/lbs
6.460" @130ft/lbs
6.465" @140ft/lbs
Check- .020" stretch- 6.445" @0ft/lbs
6.470" @140ft/lbs..... .005" stretch from last 140ft/lb measurement...

150ft/lbs clicked after 1 full turn...

Broke the bolt at 160ft/lbs....

Bottom line, I wouldn't trust the 7.3 bolts past spec, its just too unpredictable, even if I tested a weak bolt. Based off of this bolt, the stock bolts are pretty much TTY units, even if they aren't officially that way from the factory....

I will probably test another one just verify the results, but im pretty sure this is the way it is....

9/16" stud next...
 
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Old 07-06-2014, 11:30 PM
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Damn... the 7/16 bolts are as tough as the 1/2"... imagine that.

So based on all of this, where would you say is the boost limit on a stock 7.3 before gaskets are compromised?
 
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This really makes me think I want to go with the 9/16" studs if they show better than the 1/2". What would have to be done to make this work on a 7.3 in your opinion? Would the 7.3 have to be drilled at 6.9 depth? And with that depth do you think that there would be issues with thread interference or anything?
 
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Originally Posted by 88 Ford IDI
This really makes me think I want to go with the 9/16" studs if they show better than the 1/2". What would have to be done to make this work on a 7.3 in your opinion? Would the 7.3 have to be drilled at 6.9 depth? And with that depth do you think that there would be issues with thread interference or anything?
Jerad, I don't know... lol.
 
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I figured you might have tested a lil bit. Sorry about all the questions. I guess that will have to be something for me to look into when the time comes.
 
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So 110 is stock torque spec on the head bolt? aka if you wanna run more boost head studs are required? (15-20 psi on stock compression)
 
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Stock bolt spec is 110, and I tested it farther, and it hit yield right where the 6.9 bolt did. I expected more out of the bolt, so I don't know, either way, I wouldn't go past 120 on the bolt.
 
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Humm.... I thought that 7.3NA was 100 spec and 7.3 turbo was 110 spec and the bolts are the same. Just added torque for the turbo pressure.... I went to 115 on my stock bolts. I think I'm good at that... for 18psi into a decompressed J2 cam Engine at 90cc's .... My next build will get studs for sure...
 
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got some studs in, I will be going to 155 foot pounds
 
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Before doing the torque test, mark a straight line down the length of the bolt/stud and see what the twist deformation is.
 
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Arp head bolt

Hi,
I'm new please forgive!
First diesel, second post on site.

I'm new to diesels and been reading a lot of info from this site. THANK YOU!
I need to replace the coolant and I believe the head gasket might be leaking.
Obviously from the above posts, ARP are the best. Where do I get these from and what size? I have not taken anything apart yet.
What head gaskets do you recommend? And where to buy?
I got the thermostat information from the "6.9l diesel tech info page" but I guess I missed the gasket and head bolts info.
Additionally any info regarding doing this job will be much appreciated.
Thank you!!
 
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Go to ebay for your parts. The stock head gaskets are fine. Confirm that the heads are not warped. If you don't have a good straight edge, Bring the heads to a good diesel machine shop to have them tested.
 
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Originally Posted by styger
Hi,
I'm new please forgive!
First diesel, second post on site.

I'm new to diesels and been reading a lot of info from this site. THANK YOU!
I need to replace the coolant and I believe the head gasket might be leaking.
Obviously from the above posts, ARP are the best. Where do I get these from and what size? I have not taken anything apart yet.
What head gaskets do you recommend? And where to buy?
I got the thermostat information from the "6.9l diesel tech info page" but I guess I missed the gasket and head bolts info.
Additionally any info regarding doing this job will be much appreciated.
Thank you!!
Should i assume you have a turbo? In that case check for wear on the block / heads from the fire rings in the gaskets. If its severe it will lead to more gasket problems. Studs from R&D IDI Performance - Home
 


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