Possibly. I agree that the hauling figures for the truck are really poor - but I don't think many of the buyers will care, they will be drawn to the showrooms by the promise of 30mpg and the fact that "its a diesel".

I also think it will be interesting to watch and see how many it does sell, perhaps all the marketing promos over the years of "my truck hauls more than your truck" is just BS, and at the end of the day most non-fleet half ton buyers care about having a comfortable truck that gets better MPG's.
The Lion diesels should meet EPA standards. EU emissions requirements are so close to North American requirements from this year that any diesel that meets the Euro 6 standards (all vehicles sold in Europe from Jan 1 2014 had to meet it), will meet the US requirements. That was why the Ram was able to be engineered so quick.

 

Right. I think that most non-fleet buyers would be afraid to tow or carry the maximum load possible in their trucks. And the off-road capability? They would rather let the tv ads attest to their capability. They are not going to take their $50K investment and throw it around between the boulders! Even on the highway most of them freak if they approach a .5G side load. They have too much cash at stake to risk any kind of little scrape or accident.... I mean what if my load shifts? I could get a scratch inside the bed!! I could chafe a tie-down!

Dodge is smart. I think that they realize how important that 30 mpg number
is to the typical buyer. If Ford could make a similar claim I think they would kick the Dodge right off the chart.

 

Anyone seen any commercials at all for the Ecodiesel Ram? I might have seen one for the Jeep but that was maybe last year. I heard somewhere if someone has a diesel in an SUV and they want to drop the same diesel in a truck, they would have to go through different tests? Something along those lines.

It was regarding Ford using the 3.2L diesel from the Vans and putting it into the F150s that they would need to go through more EPA standards because even though its offered in one and they want to put it into another, different class needs to meet different standards?

EPA BS gives me a migraine trying to figure it all out.

Personal preference goes along way.

 

You are correct, each engine has to meet emissions for each type of vehicle, and different vehicles have different standards.
I don't think they would fit the 3.2 to the F150, it only has 200hp and 350lb ft.

The engine I would expect to see in it, is the Ford 4.4l V8 that is fitted to the Range Rover overseas (its also made alongside the 6.7 at the engine plant in Mexico). 335hp and 516lb ft in the Range Rover. It might be detuned slightly when fitted to the F150.

 

You got that right brotha!!

This could be the middle of the road that I'm talking about.

 

You have a lot to learn about both horsepower, torque, their corresponding curves and their applications. They need eachother.



With Fords recent past I don't think they will put out the small displacement diesel like RAM, yet anyway. Probably with with numbers close to competition upper range. Ford has had a pretty good run of making truck powertrains that tow well and overall perform well as a truck I feel they will not deviate from that too much if they choose an F-150 diesel option.

 

DETUNED! how about twin turboed? The could put that in a bunch of F series trucks!

 

In the Range Rover it is already twin turbo'd. That is the bit I would expect to change if it was in the F150, 1 larger turbo instead of 2 small ones to save on cost.

 

Does anyone have an idea when the '15MY will be on dealership lots?

 

Even with the Diesel's 30 MPG, how long would you have to drive the truck to even realize a savings. The Laramie with the Eco-Diesel is what, $3 to 5K more than the same truck with a Hemi that gets 22 or better on the highway, plus diesel is more expensive not to mention maint. costs, etc. On top of all of that, you have a truck that you can't pull a whole lot with. I just don't see the point personally. They'll sell several, then the "novelty" will wear off and reality will set in. I feel if Ford decides to follow suit, they need to market / build the vehicle based more on performance than anything else, in other words, the diesel half ton(IMHO) should have a higher towing capacity than it's gas powered siblings. As far as the 30 MPG, I haven't seen any real world numbers on that, I've watched a few tests of the truck and they were able to achieve 26 to 27 MPG, no towing or anything though. Anyway, that's alot of extra money just to say you drive a diesel.

 

You are right about all that Mitch. But I go back to the bulk of the buyers who are spending $50k on an advertising built image.

I'm betting none or damned few of those Dodge buyers ever see 30 mpg, the the fact that it has been aired... And I bet you those Dodge buyers spend more on waxes and armorall than they do on tires. Dodge is selling image and that is what most of them are buying. But it's a nice enough image.

 

Yes, you're right. My son is die hard Mopar (must get it from his mama ) He just traded a '12 Ram 1500 R / T for a '14 Ram 1500 Hemi Sport 4X4, nice enough truck, I guess. I gets really good mileage for a 390 HP crew cab truck, he probably averages 19 to 20 all around mileage on a tank. The other day he asked if I thought he should've waited on the diesel, like I stated earlier, he'd have to have the truck forever to compensate for the added cost. The test I refered to was conducted in Colorado, on a ranch. Nothing was loaded into the bed, never was the truck at real highway speeds for very long and nothing was towed and they were bragging that they were getting 26 to 27 MPG (saw 28 on the monitor one time). How can you base anything on that. My F150 with the 6.2 will get 25+ MPG idling on dirt roads according to the monitor! I usually average 13.9 on a tank combined MPG. Sorry for rambling....but as stated earlier, I think the "trend setters" that go out and buy these trucks will regret it soon enough, that is the folks that actually use a truck as a truck.

 

Besides the 3500 dually the "new" Ram brand has proven to be a joke. They talk about all the innovations they are making meanwhile they are still building junk. I havey father in laws 2013 2500 to go off of and the truck is a pile of crap. I could go in for an hour about how bad the truck is.

Ram is no longer a truck. It is a truck body with no capacity. The cc short bed 2500 has a 2200lb payload. What a joke. The weight I use on my bed in the winter is more then his total capacity lol

 

We can expect nothing more, they are owned by FIAT nowadays. My son's truck is more "carlike" because it's more........"carlike".

 

Exactly. Even on the 2500 there is nothing that says truck. The truck does have good power with the 6 speed, 4.10 and 30.5" tires. It is rated to tow 13500 but the payload is horrible and the brakes leave a lot to be desired compared to my truck. Power aside ill take my 5.4 powered superduty any day over that Fiat I mean ram.

I've been saying for 2 years now since ram went on its own, you know it must be junk if even dodge doesn't want its name on it