turboing a 460? have a chance to buy a kit
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turboing a 460? have a chance to buy a kit
i have the chance to buy a turbo set for around 700$ new
2-58mm sport JDM turbos, intercooler, piping, exhaust collectors, gaskets, this twin turbo kit was bought for my 2003 corvette but will work on lots of others! It's a universal kit. The kit is brand new. Paid 2300$ for it. Reasonable offers won't be rejected. Each turbo is capable of 20psi boost depending on waste gates. Great reviews and durable turbos.
what would all go into this build besides tapping oil and coolant lines, and fabricating exhaust. would you buy a newer 460 with fuel injection and tune it or would you need a turbo-applicable carb or would any work? have a set of d3ve heads, would i need flat top forged pistons and head studs?
have done a full rebuild on a 460 and tinkered lots and have a journeyman welder buddy who could help me out.
how would this go and what would i need?
2-58mm sport JDM turbos, intercooler, piping, exhaust collectors, gaskets, this twin turbo kit was bought for my 2003 corvette but will work on lots of others! It's a universal kit. The kit is brand new. Paid 2300$ for it. Reasonable offers won't be rejected. Each turbo is capable of 20psi boost depending on waste gates. Great reviews and durable turbos.
what would all go into this build besides tapping oil and coolant lines, and fabricating exhaust. would you buy a newer 460 with fuel injection and tune it or would you need a turbo-applicable carb or would any work? have a set of d3ve heads, would i need flat top forged pistons and head studs?
have done a full rebuild on a 460 and tinkered lots and have a journeyman welder buddy who could help me out.
how would this go and what would i need?
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i would pretty much build the motor and find a trans and put it in a drag car over a couple years. i wouldnt need that kinda power in my truck would get expensive buying 2 built diffs, t-case, trans, 33" tires ect. would be a fun project, and i could see 700+ hp pretty easy at 30-40 pounds boost. would be crazy in a fox body haha
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i would pretty much build the motor and find a trans and put it in a drag car over a couple years. i wouldnt need that kinda power in my truck would get expensive buying 2 built diffs, t-case, trans, 33" tires ect. would be a fun project, and i could see 700+ hp pretty easy at 30-40 pounds boost. would be crazy in a fox body haha
This kit probably wouldn't be a bad introduction to forced induction for you for not a ton of money. That being said for $700 you will have to do a lot of work and spend more $ to get that to fit anything and function properly
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As somoeone that has experience with vehicles with that kind of horsepower, both building and driving, 20-30lbs of boost on a properly assembled 460 would be A LOT more than 700hp. For instance, my Lightning (closest comparison, low RPM 2 valve) with a hEaton (a ton of parasitic loss) and not much else at 12lbs made ~500. There are plenty of guys running 20psi with a whipple (less parasitic loss) making 900-1000 and lets not even discuss turbos.
This kit probably wouldn't be a bad introduction to forced induction for you for not a ton of money. That being said for $700 you will have to do a lot of work and spend more $ to get that to fit anything and function properly
This kit probably wouldn't be a bad introduction to forced induction for you for not a ton of money. That being said for $700 you will have to do a lot of work and spend more $ to get that to fit anything and function properly
on the top of my head all i can come up with is
pistons, rods, head studs, cam, chain/gears, carb, intake?, high vol. oil pump, oil pan with windage tray, big *** rad, upgraded water pump,
what would need to be done on the crank?
can any carb work with it ? or is it best to buy a newer fuel injected 460
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I came across some articles on doing this and was pretty interested myself.
Yet what the consensus I seemed to read was it was better to supercharge than turbo the 460. Now I don't recall why exactly though because it's been months since I read up on this.
Like rustygold1 said, I think it was due to boost maxing so quick. Also staying with carbs creates some challenges as well. Quite doable though. It's a project and nothing will be plug and play from what I recall as well.
Lots of excellent information available on it though.
Yet what the consensus I seemed to read was it was better to supercharge than turbo the 460. Now I don't recall why exactly though because it's been months since I read up on this.
Like rustygold1 said, I think it was due to boost maxing so quick. Also staying with carbs creates some challenges as well. Quite doable though. It's a project and nothing will be plug and play from what I recall as well.
Lots of excellent information available on it though.
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Do it! Do it! Do it! Just to be over the top and have some biggg power. But like others have said an engine will have to be built to handle turbo pressure.
Turbo power returns are not a linear curve if I remember right. I vaguely remember reading about a turbo system on a 460 and it discussing the cubic inch and psi relationship. Massive power potential with that kind of displacement, much much more than 700 in the 30psi-40psi range
With the boost I would expect that you will be running in the high rpm range. How will the internals need to be built to stand up to 7,000rpm or so? What about keeping the heads from popping off with 40psi crammed in there?
If you are worried about turbo lag..
1- It is still a 460, non turbo power numbers aren't exactly small.
2- You could solve the lag problem with a BANG BANG system that is used on rally cars. That would kind of take away streetability though..
Turbo power returns are not a linear curve if I remember right. I vaguely remember reading about a turbo system on a 460 and it discussing the cubic inch and psi relationship. Massive power potential with that kind of displacement, much much more than 700 in the 30psi-40psi range
With the boost I would expect that you will be running in the high rpm range. How will the internals need to be built to stand up to 7,000rpm or so? What about keeping the heads from popping off with 40psi crammed in there?
If you are worried about turbo lag..
1- It is still a 460, non turbo power numbers aren't exactly small.
2- You could solve the lag problem with a BANG BANG system that is used on rally cars. That would kind of take away streetability though..
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Do it! Do it! Do it! Just to be over the top and have some biggg power. But like others have said an engine will have to be built to handle turbo pressure.
Turbo power returns are not a linear curve if I remember right. I vaguely remember reading about a turbo system on a 460 and it discussing the cubic inch and psi relationship. Massive power potential with that kind of displacement, much much more than 700 in the 30psi-40psi range
Turbo power returns are not a linear curve if I remember right. I vaguely remember reading about a turbo system on a 460 and it discussing the cubic inch and psi relationship. Massive power potential with that kind of displacement, much much more than 700 in the 30psi-40psi range
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30-40psi... That's funny....kaboom
For that price I doubt they are very good turbos but I would decompress that 460 to like 8:1 and run no more than 10psi. Any more than that will need good gas. Also will most likely make pieces.
My uncles 575ci boss 429 hemi is a all aluminum no water block alcohol injected with about 45psi of supercharger boost and makes 2500+. To make and withstand that it cost around $60k to build so go easy on the 460 unless you have a big wallet.
For that price I doubt they are very good turbos but I would decompress that 460 to like 8:1 and run no more than 10psi. Any more than that will need good gas. Also will most likely make pieces.
My uncles 575ci boss 429 hemi is a all aluminum no water block alcohol injected with about 45psi of supercharger boost and makes 2500+. To make and withstand that it cost around $60k to build so go easy on the 460 unless you have a big wallet.
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30-40psi... That's funny....kaboom
For that price I doubt they are very good turbos but I would decompress that 460 to like 8:1 and run no more than 10psi. Any more than that will need good gas. Also will most likely make pieces.
My uncles 575ci boss 429 hemi is a all aluminum no water block alcohol injected with about 45psi of supercharger boost and makes 2500+. To make and withstand that it cost around $60k to build so go easy on the 460 unless you have a big wallet.
For that price I doubt they are very good turbos but I would decompress that 460 to like 8:1 and run no more than 10psi. Any more than that will need good gas. Also will most likely make pieces.
My uncles 575ci boss 429 hemi is a all aluminum no water block alcohol injected with about 45psi of supercharger boost and makes 2500+. To make and withstand that it cost around $60k to build so go easy on the 460 unless you have a big wallet.
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Honestly I don't think a stock block is going to handle 20lbs. I don't think a girdle would even save it. You have to remember it doesn't take power to make power with a turbo. I believe what I said earlier would be a nasty combo since you are using a turbo and not a supercharger. I'm pretty sure guys get 460's to handle 6-700 on stock blocks but you would be over that. You could use a different cyl head which could net less boost but more power with a better use of the air you're providing. Either way stress is stress on the rotating assembly.