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Old 02-13-2014, 03:43 PM
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292 vs 302, and value of 292

I am trying to figure out which direction to go with my 64, and motor and trans is a big debate. For those of you who have swapped in a 302, can you give me your insight on pros and cons of the two motors?

Originally I was thinking of keeping the 292, but in my searches it looks like a basic crate 302 is around $2500. My guess is with parts and machine shop for rebuilding the 292, I would be at least $1500-$2000. I would like to have the access to performance parts availabilty of the 302, as well as the trans selection.

Other question is how desireable, and what value, is a used 292 and 3 on the tree trans? Would I be able to sell these for some profit if I swap? I dont need a garage decoration, that is for sure.

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Old 02-13-2014, 06:32 PM
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There are performance parts available for the Y Block. In my opinion I say leave the 292 in it, but I am old fashioned. If you want to see what you can do to a Y Block I have a thread at slick60's website. It is under projects and builds titled 64 ford f100 restore I believe. Aluminumum intake holley 4 bbl finned valley cover finned valve covers headers bigger cam high comp pistons. It is all available, check it out.
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:39 PM
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Realistically, what is your goal with the truck?

Don't forget the cost to swap the 302. That will add to the total cost of the 302. $2500 can get you a better than stock 292 and you don't have to swap and it will eat most 302s for lunch. However, if you are looking for serious power, the lower cost of the 302 may make it worthwhile; if you're looking for serious power, I'd strongly recommend something even larger. A 292 tends to get better mileage than a 302. The 292 has excellent torque for it's size and responds very well to the typical modifications that are applied to virtually every other engine to get better performance.

A used 292 and transmission is worth about $100 to maybe $600. This depends on the condition. If it runs and drives, you must be able to demonstrate that. Ran when parked means it doesn't run. You will not make any profit by selling them but it will help offset the cost if you do swap.
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Old 02-14-2014, 04:59 AM
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I vote 292 as well. Something about a motor that will idle so slow you can count the fan blades going by is just cool.
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Old 02-14-2014, 05:21 AM
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Thumbs up 292 Y BLOCK 4.8L :)

Hi 292 all the way... They are very reliable, strong, easy to find Parts & Easy to work on... I would Rebuild the 292 for sure before I get a crate Motor.. In my Humble Opinion
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Old 02-14-2014, 05:30 AM
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Hi 292 all the way... They are very reliable, strong, easy to find Parts & Easy to work on... I would Rebuild the 292 for sure before I get a crate Motor.. In my Humble Opinion

OK, everyone is in agreement, Your NOT ALLOWED to buy a 302
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If going the SBF route, just go straight to a 351W.

That being said, the Y block is a cool motor. Its all in what you want to do.
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I knew the 292 has a following, but didnt realize the vote would be this unanimous! Guess it is settled, keep the 292!

Honestly though, I do like the idea of the 292. It seems to be a good little motor, plus the nostalgia of having it in the truck. My concerns around it were the older technology, and the availability of parts, both for rebuild and performance. I guess I just have not found all the right places for parts yet.

A couple items on the rebuild. Are there upgraded gasket/seal kits that are preferred? What about the rear main, as I have heard, and am living the problem, that they tend to leak on the 292. I dont want to get done with a rebuild only to have a motor that develops leaks soon after.

Also, what options do I have for upgraded transmissions with the 292. I want to keep a manual shift, and have been eyeing the t-5 upgrade that is available. Is there anything else that I should consider, or is t-5 the way to go? I really would like to keep the manual trans in the truck.

Thanks to all for talking some sense into me! I guess I need to quit looking on summit, and start planning my build.
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Re modern technology, the 302 and all Windsors are technically newer and, sure combustion chamber designs became better and roller cams and fuel injection were added at some point but the technology, at it's core, is the same. It's not leaps and bounds better. And for the early years, I would not argue that the small block is at all better. Don't get me wrong, the Windsor is proven to be a good motor and it has it's place.

Best Gasket probably make the most popular gaskets. A great source for Y parts is ford-y-block.com. Any 50 year old motor is bound to have issues which will probably include leaks. Y-Blocks don't tend to leak when they are fresh and proper. Further, there are many areas for the oil to leak and appear to be the rear main when it is not. They include but are not limited to: the valley pan, valve covers, oil pump, the studs in the rear main retainer, the cam plug, oil galley plugs, oil pan gasket, the bolt holes at the very back of the head on the intake flange.

The easiest manual transmission swap probably is the T5 simply because the parts to do it are readily available. Whether that is good for you depends on your goals. For street use, it will probably be just fine up to around 400hp or so. Our trucks don't have the traction and in many cases really aren't that heavy compared to the cars that t5s came in, to be a serious threat. For spirited street driving, racing, or more power, you may want to consider something like a t56 or tko but you will also have to figure out how to mount them.
For what it is worth, I know a couple people with 4 cylinder t5s behind some pretty stout Ys in trucks. One is a stroker, ported heads, etc and he used to haul a camper with it. The other is a turbocharged stroker that put (I'm too lazy to look it up right now) about 450hp to the ground. Both of these are drivers and both are going strong. Perhaps they will break eventually, I don't know, but if that is not a testament to the durability of a T5 in a street setting, I don't know what is. My T5 is a V8 version with over 10k miles so far, behind a stroked, ported, cammed, etc Y. It's a driver. I race it occasionally and it's not given me any trouble yet.
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There are performance parts available for the Y Block. In my opinion I say leave the 292 in it, but I am old fashioned. If you want to see what you can do to a Y Block I have a thread at slick60's website. It is under projects and builds titled 64 ford f100 restore I believe. Aluminumum intake holley 4 bbl finned valley cover finned valve covers headers bigger cam high comp pistons. It is all available, check it out.
I forgot to add, mine is bored 60 over so that makes it an almost 302
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I forgot to add, mine is bored 60 over so that makes it an almost 302
as long as it doesn't make it an almost 5-0 I'm fine with that
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Surfing the site tonight I ran across this statement.

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$2500 can get you a better than stock 292 and you don't have to swap and it will eat most 302s for lunch.
I have to say that this gave me a good chuckle.

I have an Explorer 5.0 sitting in the garage that I traded for, I figure actual cost to me is $700.

The Explorer 5.0 with no headwork and no cam swap with headers, exhaust, duraspark ignition and a properly tuned 4V will leave all but a few 292s in the dust and at a much lower cost. There are a lot of dismantling/recycling yards that specialize in low mileage 5.0s Grab a couple while you can, they are going to run out of them in a few years.

If it were the other way around Ford would still be producing the 292.
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An explorer 302 probably would make for a comparable engine. A roller cammed, fuel injected 302 is a great choice but pretty much any 302 up until those things happened is a dog.

Nobody is arguing about the cost. A Y-Block is more expensive. Though if you make it more apples to apples and rebuild that 302, the difference in cost does decrease. A good running used 292 would probably be as much or less than that used 302.
And you also have to factor in the cost of the swap. Any engine other than stock does you no good until it is installed properly and moves the truck safely. That takes time and/or money to achieve.
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