I don't see the purpose of the Eco-Diesel, You can get a Ram with the Hemi, Pull more with it, haul more, a heck of a lot quicker, cheaper to operate, about $3 to $5K cheaper to buy and only lose a few MPG. How many years would you have to drive the truck to realize any savings at all? And this is a one manufacturer comparison, let's not even get into the competition. I just don't see it working. I think their "Pentastar" 6 will actually tow as much, or real close anyway.

 

I thought that was Nissan, with the Titan??!!

 

It's both. Ram trucks was supposed to use the 5.0L Cummins v8, but then they decided to go with their VM Motori 3.0L v6 instead. Cummins then had to look for other buyers. Toyota and Nissan both took an interest. Both have had mules running around with that engine.

 

I would think both Toyota and Nissan would market these as "stump pullers" be interesting to see. I hope they don't follow Chryslers lead with Eco-Diesel, that setup to me is kinda pointless IMHO. If I am correct, the 3.0L VM Motori was basically a Euro. diesel that's been used for passenger vehicles across the pond for sometime now. Wasn't it a joint venture between GM and Fiat?

 

Technically, yes, as GM owns 50% of VM Motori. The 3.0L v6 was supposedly developed for Maserati first, but found its way into other vehicles. It's supposed to be a well built engine, even the military was looking at using it.

 

I just really hope that Ford does not wuss up the F150,250 to the point of hurting themselves with a "light duty" underpowered truck. Not so much the 250 but the 150.

 

You and me both, brother.

 

Forgive me for getting off topic, but have you seen where GM's Holden division has went before the Australian Gov't asking for a bailout? (and was turned down!!) Here we go again....

 

Someone has to pay all those law suits from the ignighting ignition switches. To the victims families. Big cover up you ask me.

 

When did all this happen, never heard about that? Guess it's time to get out from under the rock!

 

Depending what news source you go to, it is a bad deal. The talking heads at GM say it was the pre bankruptcy gang. Not us. However no one has left. So something is up. They apologized but not taking responsibility. Just Bing GM lawsuit or ignition fires, or something to that subject. The woman who now heads up GM, name escapes me, but she has been there for some 30 yrs, and said this is the first she heard about it. Really? UAW at its best.

 

If the military is looking at it I would bet it is way over priced and a total piece of garbage. A good rule of thumb in my experience is if the military likes it run as far from it as you can

 

Produced by the lowest bidder, or someone's brother in law......at great expense to the taxpayer.

 

Here is all you really need to know about her. I hope I don't offend any of our female members. Let me just state right now that I really do wish her the best. But her name is Mary Barra. And other then the fact that she has worked at GM for over 30 years and that her father worked their since before she was born and I think has retired from GM. I have not heard what other credentials she holds for this position. So I'm NOT in anyway trying to say that she is not qualified nor am I saying that no women is qualified for that position. But I read that she was given the position in hopes of attracting more of the female buyers. The article stated nothing else about her credentials other than I stated earlier. That to me just sums up everything that is wrong with that company. And if I had been a stockholder I would have sold every share I would have owned at the point. I mean when you make a decision to replace someone like that why not start by explaining the choice you made with their credentials. And not that you choose this said person in hopes to gain a larger piece of that said market. He** Toyota did this with introducing a whole new product line. Called the SCION. It's aim was to attract the younger buyers. Not change high end management.

 

Also lets not forget that Ford has had their own ignition/fire related issues as well. And I don't recall anyone's heads rolling as a result of those. Ford has had many many fire/electrical related issues over the years. So lets not be so quick to point fingers here. For those that don't know about or forget about Fords ignition related issues. They involved 82 or 83 thru 93 I think Ford cars and trucks. Usually upon start up or shut down, but also while driving. I don't remember the exact cause, but it started with a puff of smoke out of the ignition lock cylinder and then very quickly the vehicle was engulfed into flames. My point is sometimes things happen. And as much as I love Fords they're NOT perfect either.