Y-Block Oil Sensor
#1
Y-Block Oil Sensor
Previous owner put a top-oiling system in place, I had disconnected a while ago, and just got around to removing the old "T" that split off from the hole the sensor screws in to.
When attempting to install the oil sensor into the engine block, it only goes in a few turns (just up to red band in image below - the "green" highlight box), and from looking at what I disconnected, the "T" went in much further to the block (the "red" highlight box).
So, two questions, I guess:
1. how far should it go in, and
2. how much pressure should use on this to turn it (maybe I just was hesitant)
Below are the old pieces, and I've highlighted how far the T went in, and how far (I think) the sensor went in to the block. Note: when the sensor was screwed into the T, it went past the red marking.
When attempting to install the oil sensor into the engine block, it only goes in a few turns (just up to red band in image below - the "green" highlight box), and from looking at what I disconnected, the "T" went in much further to the block (the "red" highlight box).
So, two questions, I guess:
1. how far should it go in, and
2. how much pressure should use on this to turn it (maybe I just was hesitant)
Below are the old pieces, and I've highlighted how far the T went in, and how far (I think) the sensor went in to the block. Note: when the sensor was screwed into the T, it went past the red marking.
#2
There's always the old guideline for perfect torque "tighten it until it snaps off, then back off a quarter turn."
If you're sure the threads are the same then continue. Tolerances for the brass stuff is a lot looser so its not unexpected that you'll be able to go further in.
The red stuff is a thread sealant, and is probably slowing your progress a little, but the correct depth is "until it doesn't leak." If you have some other compound or Teflon tape use some. Be sure to clean the block area well first, tighten it as much as you feel comfortable and then check it for leaks after some time. If its leaking try tightening it some more, but use the correct sized socket rather than channel locks or such, it will provide much more uniform torque across the whole sensor head and you won't risk crushing it.
Good luck!
If you're sure the threads are the same then continue. Tolerances for the brass stuff is a lot looser so its not unexpected that you'll be able to go further in.
The red stuff is a thread sealant, and is probably slowing your progress a little, but the correct depth is "until it doesn't leak." If you have some other compound or Teflon tape use some. Be sure to clean the block area well first, tighten it as much as you feel comfortable and then check it for leaks after some time. If its leaking try tightening it some more, but use the correct sized socket rather than channel locks or such, it will provide much more uniform torque across the whole sensor head and you won't risk crushing it.
Good luck!
#4
That pressure sender fitting - probably a 1/4" NPT. Check it against a known new fitting along with the one you removed. You can do that at your nearest Home Depot/Lowe's - black iron is usually better then galvanized.
#6
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...229_0424508297
Certainly not the only one but it has always worked very well for me.
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Thanks for all the comments, they really do help. A few notes:
When I bought the truck back in Sept, it was smoking a ton out the exhaust, and leaking quite a bit, so I took the top oiler off right away, and it's been off for 4 months now. When I took the oil pan off to re-gasket, the engine had signs of oil, not sure if it's enough, but I think the top oiler an unnecessary accessory. I also have the oil pump off, and am checking (as much as possible) the passage for gunk.
@Bill: engine diagram in illustration catalog shows 9278 to the right (towards rear) of the oil filter - mine is/was just to the left (towards front), right below the petcock/cyclinder block drain (8115). In the diagram, it shows 87710-S (P-16) [Plug (cyl block xxxxxx) - 3/8" pipe] in the hole where I removed it. It's odd that the plug says 3/8" but your 9278 is 1/4". If 3/8" is correct as per manual, then a 1/4" thread would just slide in. I cannot find 9278 in section 60.4 of the parts book, and my "book" is really just a scan of the pages in a PDF, so it's unsearchable.
p.s. On my engine, nothing is to the right/rear of the filter. Just FYI...
@spurredon: I am cleaning the threads, as it looks like the copper pipe had something on it when put in.
@Jim: I hate to admit it, but I'm currently using channel lock pliers. But, I'm being gentle :-)
When I bought the truck back in Sept, it was smoking a ton out the exhaust, and leaking quite a bit, so I took the top oiler off right away, and it's been off for 4 months now. When I took the oil pan off to re-gasket, the engine had signs of oil, not sure if it's enough, but I think the top oiler an unnecessary accessory. I also have the oil pump off, and am checking (as much as possible) the passage for gunk.
@Bill: engine diagram in illustration catalog shows 9278 to the right (towards rear) of the oil filter - mine is/was just to the left (towards front), right below the petcock/cyclinder block drain (8115). In the diagram, it shows 87710-S (P-16) [Plug (cyl block xxxxxx) - 3/8" pipe] in the hole where I removed it. It's odd that the plug says 3/8" but your 9278 is 1/4". If 3/8" is correct as per manual, then a 1/4" thread would just slide in. I cannot find 9278 in section 60.4 of the parts book, and my "book" is really just a scan of the pages in a PDF, so it's unsearchable.
p.s. On my engine, nothing is to the right/rear of the filter. Just FYI...
@spurredon: I am cleaning the threads, as it looks like the copper pipe had something on it when put in.
@Jim: I hate to admit it, but I'm currently using channel lock pliers. But, I'm being gentle :-)
#9
@Bill: engine diagram in illustration catalog shows 9278 to the right (towards rear) of the oil filter - mine is/was just to the left (towards front), right below the petcock/cyclinder block drain (8115). In the diagram, it shows 87710-S (P-16) [Plug (cyl block xxxxxx) - 3/8" pipe] in the hole where I removed it. It's odd that the plug says 3/8" but your 9278 is 1/4". If 3/8" is correct as per manual, then a 1/4" thread would just slide in. I cannot find 9278 in section 60.4 of the parts book, and my "book" is really just a scan of the pages in a PDF, so it's unsearchable.
B6A-9278-B = 1957/63 Ford Truck Parts Catalog: Text, Section 9278, page 1359.
#10
Couple of things.
Pipe nipples usually have more thread engagement than devices such as oil pressure sending units and switches. So a pipe nipple will thread in farther. Same with tees and fittings - they are generally low precision
The red stuff on your oil pressure switch is a factory applied thread sealant. When the threads with the sealant on them start to go into the block, it will take more twist to turn them. It is usualy good for 2 to 3 remove and installs. If you clean it off and use a different sealant (Permatex No. 2 is a good default) make sure you do not use too much, an the threads need metal to metal contact to ground the switch.
For tightening, on things like this I use the same guidelines as spin on filters - get it as tight as you can by hand (I put a socket over it and turn socket by hand), then turn it about 2/3 more of a turn.
There are several pipe thread standards. Pipe and fittings are usually NPT. Automotive fittings and devices are usually what is called "PTF SAE short". All have the same threads per inch per size, but tapers and thread engagements are a little different. But they still work together.
Pipe nipples usually have more thread engagement than devices such as oil pressure sending units and switches. So a pipe nipple will thread in farther. Same with tees and fittings - they are generally low precision
The red stuff on your oil pressure switch is a factory applied thread sealant. When the threads with the sealant on them start to go into the block, it will take more twist to turn them. It is usualy good for 2 to 3 remove and installs. If you clean it off and use a different sealant (Permatex No. 2 is a good default) make sure you do not use too much, an the threads need metal to metal contact to ground the switch.
For tightening, on things like this I use the same guidelines as spin on filters - get it as tight as you can by hand (I put a socket over it and turn socket by hand), then turn it about 2/3 more of a turn.
There are several pipe thread standards. Pipe and fittings are usually NPT. Automotive fittings and devices are usually what is called "PTF SAE short". All have the same threads per inch per size, but tapers and thread engagements are a little different. But they still work together.
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