Norfolknova's 66 F100 Build
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Just curious, what type of tank are you putting in yours? Are you mounting a tank behind the axle. I need to take some measurements on my 92 F250 and see just how wide the tank is and see if I can make one of them fit between the frame rails.
If it is not too cold tomorrow I am going to try to get the CV front cross member mounted. I am just not a big an of freezing while I work on cars.
Matt
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I did manage to brave the cold, well o.k., it really was not too bad out. I mounted the Crown Vic front subframe and it is back n all fours as a roller. I still need to pick up some plate to box the front frame where the subframe is mounted. Make the mounts for the lower control arm radius arms, I might be able to re-purpose the 66 radius arm mounts. Then comes mounting the Mark VIII rear suspension in a couple of weeks.
Matt
Matt
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Matt,
That's a ton of work looking at the new front end and I don't wnat to be the one to .....ss on your parade but I noticed mechanic58's comment about track. Granted the 66 had a bit of a stagger from front to rear to begin with but from the picture showing the installed crown vic suspension.......your wheels look like they're tracking about a foot outside the rears. I'm no expert but it looks like the spindles combined with the control arms are what seems to be messing things up. Hope it's only a visual trick! It kills me to see anyone invest that kinda effort and have the work be for nothing.
Hope it works to your advantage.
That's a ton of work looking at the new front end and I don't wnat to be the one to .....ss on your parade but I noticed mechanic58's comment about track. Granted the 66 had a bit of a stagger from front to rear to begin with but from the picture showing the installed crown vic suspension.......your wheels look like they're tracking about a foot outside the rears. I'm no expert but it looks like the spindles combined with the control arms are what seems to be messing things up. Hope it's only a visual trick! It kills me to see anyone invest that kinda effort and have the work be for nothing.
Hope it works to your advantage.
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Originally Posted by mechanic58
Ok - here's the measurements:
1962 F100 straight front axle track width, measured at the CL of the tread on each tire and averaged taking into consideration the tow, front and rear - 61 5/8".
2004 Crown Victoria P71 Police Interceptor, measured the same as above - 63 1/4".
Now, these numbers are deceiving due to the different offsets of the wheels. My F100 has some 70s model ford truck steelies on it. I believe they're 6" wide with a 0 offset. The CV on the other hand has a very deep backspace on the wheel. I believe they're 8" wide with at least a 5 1/2" backsapce. So with 0 offset wheels on the CV front end, the track width would then be 66 1/4" and possible more. I'm not positive on the backspace on those wheels.
So, this means that the CV/GM front ends are roughly 5" wider than the stock F series axle. Now I don't know how the straight axles compare to the twin i-beams, but I'd guess they are probably pretty close.
1962 F100 straight front axle track width, measured at the CL of the tread on each tire and averaged taking into consideration the tow, front and rear - 61 5/8".
2004 Crown Victoria P71 Police Interceptor, measured the same as above - 63 1/4".
Now, these numbers are deceiving due to the different offsets of the wheels. My F100 has some 70s model ford truck steelies on it. I believe they're 6" wide with a 0 offset. The CV on the other hand has a very deep backspace on the wheel. I believe they're 8" wide with at least a 5 1/2" backsapce. So with 0 offset wheels on the CV front end, the track width would then be 66 1/4" and possible more. I'm not positive on the backspace on those wheels.
So, this means that the CV/GM front ends are roughly 5" wider than the stock F series axle. Now I don't know how the straight axles compare to the twin i-beams, but I'd guess they are probably pretty close.
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Matt,
That's a ton of work looking at the new front end and I don't wnat to be the one to .....ss on your parade but I noticed mechanic58's comment about track. Granted the 66 had a bit of a stagger from front to rear to begin with but from the picture showing the installed crown vic suspension.......your wheels look like they're tracking about a foot outside the rears. I'm no expert but it looks like the spindles combined with the control arms are what seems to be messing things up. Hope it's only a visual trick! It kills me to see anyone invest that kinda effort and have the work be for nothing.
Hope it works to your advantage.
That's a ton of work looking at the new front end and I don't wnat to be the one to .....ss on your parade but I noticed mechanic58's comment about track. Granted the 66 had a bit of a stagger from front to rear to begin with but from the picture showing the installed crown vic suspension.......your wheels look like they're tracking about a foot outside the rears. I'm no expert but it looks like the spindles combined with the control arms are what seems to be messing things up. Hope it's only a visual trick! It kills me to see anyone invest that kinda effort and have the work be for nothing.
Hope it works to your advantage.
I think part of the major difference is visual, but I am not keeping the stock solid axle rear axle. The truck is getting the Lincoln Mark VIII IRS. The Mark VIII has a similar track width to the Crown Vic. Most of my friends are Mustang people so after I get the body back on I will fit a couple of different sets and see what fits under the fenders, or I may have to order a set of wheels with deeper offsets.
Another reason I think it looks awkward and so much wider in the front is the donut spares I have on there. I picked those up cheap at pick and pull so I would not have to worry about damaging a good set of wheels in the build process.
Next weekend I will try to throw a set of Mustang wheels on the front, I am also going to set the engine on the mounts so I can fab up a proper front cross member. I just used a piece of 2 inch angle iron to keep the frame from spreading when I removed the factory cross member.
Plus the design of the fenders lends themselves to be modified a little (While it won't be easy) to widen the flares to fit a little wider track.
I will be sure to post up what size wheels I use when I get to that point
Thanks
Matt
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Thanks again
matt
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Up next is making a cross member to go in front of the subframe, boxing the frame where the sub frame is mounted, and I need to make a piece the will go over where the sub frame nuts are and the upper shock tower brace will bolt down to. After I am done with the front end i will move to the rear. That will take me a couple of days working on it just to get all of the brackets off of the frame. Then i can mount the Mark VIII rear axle
Once all of the suspension is done I am going to soda blast the frame and paint it with POR 15
Matt
Once all of the suspension is done I am going to soda blast the frame and paint it with POR 15
Matt
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