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Old 12-04-2013, 07:12 AM
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Why did Ford stop making the V10??

I know many owners are going to the diesel engines and I dont want this to turn into a diesel vs V10 post but why did Ford stop making the V10 and does anyone know if they will come out with it again or something compareable?

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They stopped using it in the 2-350 trucks. Its still being used in the 450 thru 650 classes.
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Yup, as nico mentioned they still put them in the heavier chassis/cabs as well as the medium duty F-650/750.

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They did the same year they discontinued the V10 in the pickup trucks. The 6.2L V8 makes nearly as much torque and more power than the 3V V10. Coupled to a slick 6-speed auto that has no trouble putting the engine where it needs to be, this engine does everything the V10 could do before.

I've yanked around 15,000 lbs with a 6.2L F350 and it did a fantastic job. Doesn't quite have the low-end grunt that the V10 did, but it does a great job with a trailer.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:00 PM
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I think that EPA regs had more to do with them taking them out of F-250s and F-350s than anything. Around here you see plenty of new F-450's and 550 with V10s in them.
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F-250s and F-350s aren't rated by the EPA.
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F-250s and F-350s aren't rated by the EPA.
Then why do they put emmission systems on them?
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F-250s and F-350s aren't rated by the EPA.
I would like to see the proof on that. If it burns a fossil fuel the EPA has there
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AND when they don't California does.

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I doubt we will ever see a return of the V10 to the pickup market. Engine technology has come a long way, where we no longer need 10 cylinders to produce that amount of power (from a gas motor.. sorry, had to ).

Things like CAFE and consumer drive pushed the V10 out of the pickup market. Ford cares more about its customers buying work or tow vehicles more than the grocery getter, and fact is, 9 times out of 10, the commercial owner will choose an equal (or in the case of the 6.2L, more) powerful V8 option over a V10 option. And I would assume most non-commercial consumers would agree.

Same reason we see turbocharged V6s moving in on classic V8 territory.

Why they opted to put it in the 650s and 750s, I'm not actually sure... I like the V10 as much as the next guy... But I like it in a 1999-2004 F-250/350. I dont really see it being viable in the modern medium duty sector. Without starting a huge V10/Diesel argument, the facts are facts, and it just isnt that powerful of a motor by today's standards, even compared to today's gas motor standards.

It was good for its time. It was a great option for people in the early 2000s who wanted power comparable to a diesel, but didnt want the associated responsibilities of diesel ownership.

Personally, I think it was time. It just didnt fit anymore.

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I would like to see the proof on that. If it burns a fossil fuel the EPA has there
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AND when they don't California does.

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Heavy duty pickups (f250 and up) are regulated emissions wise, but they are not required to meet CAFE fuel economy standards, hence why on a f250 window sticker there is no EPA fuel mileage rating.
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EPA fuel mileage is not the same as the EPA not regulating the truck.
All that means is that they don't test for MPG's

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I doubt we will ever see a return of the V10 to the pickup market. Engine technology has come a long way, where we no longer need 10 cylinders to produce that amount of power (from a gas motor.. sorry, had to ).

Things like CAFE and consumer drive pushed the V10 out of the pickup market. Ford cares more about its customers buying work or tow vehicles more than the grocery getter, and fact is, 9 times out of 10, the commercial owner will choose an equal (or in the case of the 6.2L, more) powerful V8 option over a V10 option. And I would assume most non-commercial consumers would agree.

Same reason we see turbocharged V6s moving in on classic V8 territory.

Why they opted to put it in the 650s and 750s, I'm not actually sure... I like the V10 as much as the next guy... But I like it in a 1999-2004 F-250/350. I dont really see it being viable in the modern medium duty sector. Without starting a huge V10/Diesel argument, the facts are facts, and it just isnt that powerful of a motor by today's standards, even compared to today's gas motor standards.

It was good for its time. It was a great option for people in the early 2000s who wanted power comparable to a diesel, but didnt want the associated responsibilities of diesel ownership.

Personally, I think it was time. It just didnt fit anymore.



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So just to clarify, you do not see the V10 as viable in the medium duty sector yet the Ford Motor Company does. Interesting.

If your watching the super duty picture thread it would appear to me by the pics posted by AlaskaEX show lots of V10's heading for some of the most extreme places on earth in F450, F550's.

The Company I work which happens to be the largest rental company in the world has pretty much put freeze on buying diesels and most of our service trucks are being ordered as F550 v10's. The 6.2 is great motor and does what the V10 did, put the 6 speed behind the V10 and it would game over.

I owned 3 PSD's prior to owning my current 08 V10 and would never trade back for any of them and I tow heavier then 90% of the PSD's I see on the road. Oh and the V10 didn't really get great until 2005 with the 3 valve update among other things and sold in new in F250-350 thru 2010. So liking the V10 in the 99-04 years is just strange as most came with 3:73's and were not a power house tow vehicle compared to the 05-10. Bullet proof yes, cheap to operate, yes. A very good friend traded in his 99 V10 at 419,000 miles, never rebuilt. Sorry as a v10 owner I have to disagree with almost everything you said. And so does Ford.
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If your watching the super duty picture thread it would appear to me by the pics posted by AlaskaEX show lots of V10's heading for some of the most extreme places on earth in F450, F550's.

yes, the amount of new gassers to diesels we upfit drastic, since the new regulations on 08-up combined with the DEF issues in extreme cold weather (-60F ambient temp) the gas trucks have all but taken over for the fleets we work with. the only time a company will buy diesel is because of the extreme remoteness of the drill sites gas is not available. the gas trucks start up no matter what, they dont care if you idle them 24/7, put out much better heat, cost less up front...the list goes on for the application's we do.

i love the new 6.2 as much as the next guy but i have a soft spot for V10's even my old 2V 2002...i'd really like to pick up a 2010 lariat crew cab short bed king ranch..kind of a rare bird though
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So just to clarify, you do not see the V10 as viable in the medium duty sector yet the Ford Motor Company does. Interesting.

If your watching the super duty picture thread it would appear to me by the pics posted by AlaskaEX show lots of V10's heading for some of the most extreme places on earth in F450, F550's.

The Company I work which happens to be the largest rental company in the world has pretty much put freeze on buying diesels and most of our service trucks are being ordered as F550 v10's. The 6.2 is great motor and does what the V10 did, put the 6 speed behind the V10 and it would game over.

I owned 3 PSD's prior to owning my current 08 V10 and would never trade back for any of them and I tow heavier then 90% of the PSD's I see on the road. Oh and the V10 didn't really get great until 2005 with the 3 valve update among other things and sold in new in F250-350 thru 2010. So liking the V10 in the 99-04 years is just strange as most came with 3:73's and were not a power house tow vehicle compared to the 05-10. Bullet proof yes, cheap to operate, yes. A very good friend traded in his 99 V10 at 419,000 miles, never rebuilt. Sorry as a v10 owner I have to disagree with almost everything you said. And so does Ford.
Disagree all you want. You dont have to agree.

I think the choice to use gas motors over diesel in most fleet situations is more likely do to the crazy surcharge for diesels and Fords spotty history with diesels this decade.

As for my statement about in 99-04 trucks, I meant that I think that is a good place for them, because that is when they parallel the diesel option in the power dept best. Even in 05+ after the 3v upgrade, they dont mirror the 6.4 as well as the 2v did next to a 7.3L. EDIT: after looking up the numbers, the 3v and 6.0 are closer than i remember, but the trend is still true.

And I'm not talking about gearing and this and that, dont try to take away from what I said. I am talking about MOTORS. I dont dislike the V10. Just because I own a 7.3 doesnt mean I hate V10s. I dont know why every V10 owner seems to feel the need to defend his honor on the forums when ever a diesel owner comes by. I never said the V10 was unreliable, or expensive or blah blah. Just please stop putting words in my mouth.

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