Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Older, Classic & Antique Trucks > 1957 - 1960 F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


1957 - 1960 F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Box Style Ford Trucks

Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 10-05-2013, 05:33 PM
NateTheGreat NateTheGreat is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 26
NateTheGreat is starting off with a positive reputation.
Question about D44 Wiper Seals

All,

I am doing a disc-brake swap on my Dana 44-4F front axle (1960 F-250 4x4).

I need to buy a wiper seal and gasket for the small ball, closed knuckle Dana 44. 4 Wheel Parts sells a kit that includes the metal retainers, bolts, seals, and gaskets but want ~$60 per side. That is crazy.

Anyone know where I can get just the gaskets and seals? I can't seem to find them. I did find the entire wiper kit for closed knuckle Dana 44s from old Willys Wagons on eBay for ~$20 for both sides. Any idea if they would work on my D44?

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-05-2013, 09:02 PM
theodore/teddy's Avatar
theodore/teddy theodore/teddy is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Southern Nevada
Posts: 1,076
theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.
Nate from what I can tell the ford part# is B9C-3132-A. For my truck not sure if yours is different. Did your axle have a data tag.
I'm interested in your disc brake setup. Please post pictures, experiences and details of your setup.
__________________

For Ford the third time was the charm
Third generation Ford truck 57-60
1959 F250 4x4
Wally
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-06-2013, 05:02 PM
thundersnow70's Avatar
thundersnow70 thundersnow70 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: south east South Dakota
Posts: 688
thundersnow70 is starting off with a positive reputation.
when i rebuilt my large ball dana 44 closed knuckle i did not reinstall the rubber wiper seal. My upper and lower bearings are now greased along with the axle shaft u joint. The rubber seal is made to keep the lube in and the water out. Now i stay out of the water and there is no lube in the ball. I did replace the felt and the steel wipers. Its been my experience that the seals never lasted very long anyway. When i did get them I got them from Randys ring and pinion. You might want to check with them but i would guess they wont be cheap. Good luck.
__________________
52 F2 & F3 Merryman Herringbone
60 F250 4x4
63 F250 4x4 Flareside
Mark
Working on these old trucks is easy, all you have to do is................................................ ....
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-09-2013, 03:31 AM
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy NumberDummy is offline
Ford Parts Specialist
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Hacienda Heights CA
Posts: 55,561
NumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by NateTheGreat View Post
I am doing a disc-brake swap on my Dana 44-4F front axle (1960 F-250 4x4).
No such thing as 44-4F used on any year Ford. 1959/60 F100/250 4WD: Spicer/Dana 44-6F

D4TZ-3132-A (replaced B9C-3132-A) .. Steering Arm Seal Kit / Spicer/Dana # 706207 X / Obsolete

Last MSRP: $44.42 / Dealer net cost: $26.65.

Applications: 1959/65 F100 4WD / 1959/72 F250 4WD & some 1973/77 F250 4WD (High Boys).

B & B AUTO PARTS in Bronx NY has 4 = 718-597-3383.

NOS PARTS LTD in Waxahachie TX has 7 = 972-937-2201.

Another source: Engler Brothers Auto Parts on Pico Blvd. in Santa Monica CA

Autoparts stores go by the Spicer/Dana part number.
Attached Images
 
__________________
Bill / Retired Ford Parts Manager / SoCal Chapter Member / Part number research: 1928/2001 trucks & 1928/89 passenger cars.

2013 Escape FWD 2.0L Eco-Boost
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-09-2013, 10:23 AM
theodore/teddy's Avatar
theodore/teddy theodore/teddy is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Southern Nevada
Posts: 1,076
theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.
Quote:
No such thing as 44-4F used on any year Ford. 1959/60 F100/250 4WD: Spicer/Dana 44-6F
My Ford shop manual refers to it as a Spicer 44-4F
Just saying!
__________________

For Ford the third time was the charm
Third generation Ford truck 57-60
1959 F250 4x4
Wally
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-09-2013, 10:37 PM
NateTheGreat NateTheGreat is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 26
NateTheGreat is starting off with a positive reputation.
Very interesting that there should not be a 44-4F. My axle tube has 44-4F cast into it. As to the topic at hand, that Willys Wagon kit worked like a charm. Really nice to spend $27 instead of $150+. Also, I'll get some pics of my disc brake kit up when I can. I still am having to have the hubs turned down before I can finish assembly. FWIW the kit came from Blackbird Customs in Spokane. They don't have a kit readily available on their site for the small ball, closed knuckle 8 lug front ends but I called and spoke with the owner and he custom builte a kit. All I need now is a brake booster. Since I have the T98a 4 speed I'm a little unsure if I can get a brake booster that will mount on the firewall and clear the clutch master cylinder also. Any thoughts?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-09-2013, 10:42 PM
NateTheGreat NateTheGreat is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 26
NateTheGreat is starting off with a positive reputation.
One more question, how much lube do you guys put in the hubs between the inner and outer bearings? When I pulled it apart it was FULL of all difderent kinds of grease. There is also that drain/fill plug that makes me wonder if there is supposed to be some kind of gear lube that goes in there.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-09-2013, 11:05 PM
theodore/teddy's Avatar
theodore/teddy theodore/teddy is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Southern Nevada
Posts: 1,076
theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.
Yes these knuckles were meant to have the same lube (90W according to the book) as the differentials. The wipers don't seem to hold the lube very well so I run straight 140W, it still slobbers but I live with it.
I pack the wheel bearings but don't add any grease in between, because I was taught that if you pack that area with grease when the grease in the bearing heats up the cool grease in between will draw the hot grease from the bearing. Don't know if thats a fact but thats the way I've always done it.
__________________

For Ford the third time was the charm
Third generation Ford truck 57-60
1959 F250 4x4
Wally
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-09-2013, 11:21 PM
NateTheGreat NateTheGreat is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 26
NateTheGreat is starting off with a positive reputation.
Theodore/Teddy/Wally (which is the truck's name and which is yours??), thanks for the info. I noticed in your pictures that you have a brake booster. What vehicle is it from? And would it clear the clutch master cylinder on the firewall?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-10-2013, 12:28 AM
theodore/teddy's Avatar
theodore/teddy theodore/teddy is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Southern Nevada
Posts: 1,076
theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.
Teddy AKA Theodore is the truck. I'm running an auto but the booster is one I pickup on Ebay. The booster has a ~3.5" stand-off bracket behind the 7" double diaphragm.It looks like there may be just enough room for a Clutch M/C next to it, but couldn't swear to it. I moved the brake M/C to the clutch hole to give me enough room to easily change the back spark plug.
I checked out the blackbird site. Like to see pictures when you finish. What part of the hub has to be turned?
__________________

For Ford the third time was the charm
Third generation Ford truck 57-60
1959 F250 4x4
Wally
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-10-2013, 01:33 AM
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy NumberDummy is offline
Ford Parts Specialist
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Hacienda Heights CA
Posts: 55,561
NumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputationNumberDummy has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by theodore/teddy View Post
My Ford shop manual refers to it as a Spicer 44-4F
Just saying!
Where is Spicer 44-4F? No see um.

1959/ F250 4WD: Left (upper): Parts lists #137 & #138 / Right #137 / Left (lower) #138.
Attached Images
   
__________________
Bill / Retired Ford Parts Manager / SoCal Chapter Member / Part number research: 1928/2001 trucks & 1928/89 passenger cars.

2013 Escape FWD 2.0L Eco-Boost
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-10-2013, 06:20 AM
NateTheGreat NateTheGreat is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 26
NateTheGreat is starting off with a positive reputation.
The only (permanent) modification to your existing setup that needs to be done is to to turn down the OD on the hubs right where the lugs go through. This allows the rotor to clearance on the inside when sliding on. I'll get some pictures to make it more clear what I mean.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-10-2013, 07:21 AM
theodore/teddy's Avatar
theodore/teddy theodore/teddy is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Southern Nevada
Posts: 1,076
theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.theodore/teddy has a great reputation on FTE.
I see what you are saying Bill! All three parts lists have the heading of 446F. I never noticed that before. What I was referring to is the Ford Truck Shop Manual. And as Nate pointed out it is cast in to the housing. Another one of those things that make ya say HUH.
__________________

For Ford the third time was the charm
Third generation Ford truck 57-60
1959 F250 4x4
Wally
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-10-2013, 09:40 AM
Byrd.Dog's Avatar
Byrd.Dog Byrd.Dog is offline
Junior User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Amarillo, TX
Posts: 98
Byrd.Dog is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by theodore/teddy View Post
Nate from what I can tell the ford part# is B9C-3132-A. For my truck not sure if yours is different. Did your axle have a data tag.
I'm interested in your disc brake setup. Please post pictures, experiences and details of your setup.
X2! Been thinking of swapping axles to get front discs in mine. Would love to see how this works! I have also seen an aftermarket 2-chamber master cylinder (made by CPP, I think) that would bolt into the stock location. It's not a true "Power" brake system, but the manufacturer claims double the braking power of the stock system.
__________________
1960 F250 4x4 - 292, 4spd, 16,000 ORIGINAL miles
2000 F350 Powerstroke CCLB 4x4 - Tuner, Intake, Exhaust, Gauges, leveled on 35's
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-10-2013, 11:17 AM
Buzz44's Avatar
Buzz44 Buzz44 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: colbert washington
Posts: 2,012
Buzz44 has a good reputation on FTE.Buzz44 has a good reputation on FTE.
Im along for the ride. Please do post up some pics of how that mod to the front axle goes. Blackbird is right here in town. Ill have to go to their site and send an email to see where they are located.
__________________
1965 F100 4x4 for fun. Name Gentelman Jim
1963 F250 4x4 for restore. Name Beast
1998 F150 4x4 for daily use. Name Birthday Boy
2001 Ford 4x4 Explorer Sport Trac (nice but sucks on MPG its underpowered)

Vic by the way.
Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2013, 11:17 AM
 
 
 
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Older, Classic & Antique Trucks > 1957 - 1960 F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Closed Knuckle Dana 44 nmidthune Clutch, Transmission, Differential, Axle & Transfer Case 4 07-11-2013 01:15 PM
Dana 44 closed Knuckle 74F250390 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 9 03-19-2009 08:38 PM
need seals for closed knuckle 44 78fordranger 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 12 02-07-2008 07:54 AM
Dana 44HD closed knuckle seal 72f2504x4390 1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 0 05-24-2005 07:35 AM
Closed knuckle Dana 44 years? bigblue 1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 3 06-08-2003 10:15 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup