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The timing marks on the damper are directly linked to the piston.
They will always line up.

Check that you have good grounds.
I know you just painted everything.
When I bring the #1 piston to TDC the timing mark doesn't line up with the timing cover, it's pointing straight down

The paint has been removed from the ground spots and I put dielectric grease on the frame under the connections to try and keep the rust and corrosion away.
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I'm not sure how that could happen....
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Just to make sure, if your looking at the front of the engine the #1 cylinder is the pass side front, correct?
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Swap the red and white wires.
Just jumper the solenoid by touching a bare wire from the battery+ post to the 'S' terminal.
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Just to make sure, if your looking at the front of the engine the #1 cylinder is the pass side front, correct?
Yes, #1 is front passenger side.
That bank is 1234 going towards the firewall.
The drivers side is 5678 from front to the firewall.
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I tried doing that earlier, nothing.
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The crank gear of the timing set has three keyways, stock, advance, and retard. Even though I'm 100% sure I lined up the stock keyway to the cam gear, if the crank gear was put on using one of the other keyways would that cause those marks not to line up?
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The damper is keyed to the crankshaft not the camshaft...

Stock is retarded, for emissions.
You probably want centered.
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But none of that has anything to do with the pointer's orientation on the harmonic balancer.
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The only way I can see the mark on the damper pointing down is if you have a bad damper or the wrong damper. Oh, or put it on w/o the key.
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The damper is keyed to the crankshaft not the camshaft...

Stock is retarded, for emissions.
You probably want centered.
Sorry, I meant standard, not stock.




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But none of that has anything to do with the pointer's orientation on the harmonic balancer.
I didn't think so, but my father in law mentioned it, but he wasn't sure either.

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The only way I can see the mark on the damper pointing down is if you have a bad damper or the wrong damper. Oh, or put it on w/o the key.
I checked the part# of the damper when I had the pulley alignment issue! and it's the correct#. The key is in there.
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Chris is right - lets get the TDC thing figured out, and it doesn't involve the cam. Is the damper new?
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Straight up timing is the way to go.
You have that right.

I don't know what's up with your timing marks unless the damper has slipped.

Just bring #1 to TDC compression and stab the distributor in so the rotor is pointing at the #1 terminal.
Rotate it a little bit clockwise and fire it up.
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Straight up timing is the way to go.
You have that right.

I don't know what's up with your timing marks unless the damper has slipped.

Just bring #1 to TDC compression and stab the distributor in so the rotor is pointing at the #1 terminal.
Rotate it a little bit clockwise and fire it up.
The damper slipping sounds possible now that you mention it, it is two piece, right? If the damper has slipped would that have effected the way it ran before I tore the motor down?

I just went out and took a pic of the damper



After looking at the Haynes book, I think the timing mark I see on the bottom is used on a six cylinder.



I started looking for the timing marks for a V8



I stuck a mirror on top of the damper and the marks are on top

Am I missing a pointer that attaches to the timing cover?
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Yes, you are missing the pointer.
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