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223 Exhaust Manifold

My exhaust manifold on my 1963 F600 6 cylinder is cracked. I'm looking for suggestions on how to find a replacement manifold. The casting number is C3TE 9430 C. I appreciate the help. Thanks...
 
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This is a very common problem on this engine. You have to resort to Ebay or the like for used or find a competent welder who can handle cast iron. You could also go to an aftermarket header such as Clifford or Patriot. See my album for the Clifford set up...
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:54 AM
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Question 223 exhaust manifold

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My exhaust manifold on my 1963 F600 6 cylinder is cracked. I'm looking for suggestions on how to find a replacement manifold.

The casting number is C3TE-9430-C.
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Are you sure your F600 has a 223 I-6? 223 standard equipment, 262 optional. This casting number you posted is for the 262 I-6 manifold, not the same as the 223.

The 4th digit of the VIN will be J for the 223, B for the 262. But who knows after 50 some years have passed by, if the engine was swapped?

223 I-6 manifold notorious for cracking, none are available NOS, not repro'd, very hard to find used without cracks.

The only good news is, it's the same 1954/64: F100/600 & full sized Ford passenger cars. C3AZ-9426-A replaced EAA-9426-A

I'm never searched for a C3TZ-9430-C 1961/64 262 manifold, so I dunno if any can be found NOS
 
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Thanks for the information. Question. How does the intake manifold mount without the support of the exhaust manifold? I appreciate the assistance. I'm leaning toward purchasing a set of headers if I can use my intake manifold independently. Thanks Guy
 
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The motor is original (original owner gave me the truck) with about 40,000 miles. The casting number on the exhaust is all I could find. What is the best way to tell which motor I have. The casting number is the one I stated. Thanks, Guy
 
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The intake/exhaust manifolds are held on with bolts between the ports and special thick washers. Thats it. I would suggest finding another manifold instead of headers. Header flanges are usually thinner metal than the intake flanges causing another problem.
How about welding your cracked manifold? Any pro welder should be able to. I have done it myself, but it's not pretty....

One way to ID a 262 is the fuel pump is mounted on the timing cover instead of the block.
 
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I appreciate the information. My quest for the 223 exhaust manifold continues. Thanks, Guy
 
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Originally Posted by 1963F600
Thanks for the information. Question. How does the intake manifold mount without the support of the exhaust manifold? I appreciate the assistance. I'm leaning toward purchasing a set of headers if I can use my intake manifold independently. Thanks Guy
Again, are you sure your truck has a 223? The casting number you posted is for the 262 manifold, it's not the same as the 223.

What is the 4th digit of the VIN, a B or a J?

These two I-6's look the same, but looks can be deceiving.

Upper pic: 1957/64 223.
 
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Again, are you sure your truck has a 223? The casting number you posted is for the 262 manifold, it's not the same as the 223.

What is the 4th digit of the VIN, a B or a J?

These two I-6's look the same, but looks can be deceiving.

Upper pic: 1957/64 223.
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I appreciate the help. I'm not sure which engine I have. Based on the casting number, several shops have advised that the motor is a 223. I will check the Vin tonight and report my findings. The picture is exactly like my setup. Does the 262 use a different intake/exhaust setup then the 223? Thanks, Guy
 
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Originally Posted by 1963F600
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I appreciate the help. I'm not sure which engine I have.

Based on the casting number, several shops have advised that the motor is a 223.
Uh huh, what are they basing this info on? Casting number same on 223/262 intake manifold only. Exhaust manifold casting number different between 223/262.

I will check the Vin tonight and report my findings. The picture is exactly like my setup. Does the 262 use a different intake/exhaust setup then the 223?
Picture is the same because the 262 exhaust/intake manifolds mount the same way as 223. Intake manifold same 223/262, but the 262 exhaust manifold is 262 only.

Measure the stroke to determine engine size. 223 B&S: 3.62" x 3.60" // 262 B&S: 3.719" x 4.03"
 
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These threads have some information on identifying a 262 by checking for the presence of an extra stiffening rib in the side of the block, just above the dipstick tube.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...-or-262-a.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...s-a-223-a.html

 
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Fourth letter in the vin is a B. I'm getting conflicting information. Several vintage ford yards in California have the manifold based on the casting number I posted. They keep saying I have a 223 (?). I ordered a complete set (intake/manifold) that will be delivered next week that matches the casting number in their cross reference manual. I hope it works. Thanks for all the help, Guy
 
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Originally Posted by 1963F600
Fourth letter in the vin is a B. I'm getting conflicting information. Several vintage ford yards in California have the manifold based on the casting number C3TE-9430-C I posted.

They keep saying I have a 223 (?).
Uh huh, yeah right.

I ordered a complete set (intake/manifold) that will be delivered next week that matches the casting number in their cross reference manual.
B = 262 1V I-6

C3TE-9430-C = Ford part number: C3TZ-9430-C .. 262 I-6 Exhaust Manifold.

This is the same info I gave you in post 3. 1966 edition of the Ford Master Cross Reference Catalog on page 236 crosses the C3TE-9430-C number to the C3TZ-9430-C part number.

If it was a 223, the number would be C3AE-9426-A, the part number would be C3AZ-9426-A

I'd list the Ford part number for the exhaust manifold to cylinder head gasket, but there isn't one, as Ford never installed a gasket in this location (this includes V8's as well), it was metal to metal.

Here's the section/page number from the 1957/63 Ford Truck Parts Catalog (available on a CD from hipoparts.com) that lists the 262 exhaust manifold part number. Pic is from CD

I bought a "Magic Wand" scanner from Best Buy that I can use to scan the bound paper Master Cross Reference Catalog: Edit: See post 15
 
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I'm not sure which engine I have.
If it looks like this photo, you can rest assured it is a 262. Fuel pump on timing cover and oil cap located in middle of valve cover are not found on 223's.Also, a water jacket carb spacer. A 262 exhaust manifold will be much tougher to find than a 223, very few 262's were manufactured, many mechanics and auto parts people don't even know this engine exists. The 223 and 262 manifolds are very similar, the main difference was the 223 has a heat flap with coil spring( butterfly valve) for faster warm up and the 262 does not. You might just end up using a more common 223 manifold.
 
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1966 edition of Ford & L/M Master Cross Reference Catalog: Part numbers to ID numbers / ID numbers to part numbers.

262 I-6 exhaust manifold ID & part numbers: Column left ~ line 1: C3TZ-9430-C = C3TE-9430-C / line 4: C3TE-9430-C = C3TZ-9430-C

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