Super Duty vs. F-150 - what am I missing?
#46
09-04-2013, 01:47 PM
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This is very surprising to me. I'm in QC, Canada and my insurance premiums on my lariat 2011 are only slightly higher than they were on my 2008 acura TL. A much more expensive(double) truck for 7$ more per month. They did require me to install a GPS tracking anti-theft which was not required in the TL.
#47
09-04-2013, 05:12 PM
Did you even look at the specs? Maybe you should..
I don't need to convince you of anything, I have nothing to sell here.
Here are the specs that disagree with me:
2013 Ford F-150 | View Interior Specifications | Ford.com
2013 Ford Super Duty | View Interior Specifications | Ford.com
I don't need to convince you of anything, I have nothing to sell here.
Here are the specs that disagree with me:
2013 Ford F-150 | View Interior Specifications | Ford.com
2013 Ford Super Duty | View Interior Specifications | Ford.com
F150 = 41.4"
F250 = 41.1"
Okay, so up front you gain 3/10" in a half ton.
And rear leg room compares like so...
F150 = 43.5"
F250 = 42.1"
So, yes, you have almost an extra inch and a half in the back. That can be significant. Especially if you are using car seats. In either vehicle though, you have the same up front. And the rear pax have more than that.
Shoulder room and hip room is important too...
Shoulder room front/rear
F150 = 65.9/65.5
F250 = 68.1/68.0
Over two more inches for each seat in the front and rear in shoulder room.
Hip room front/rear
F150 = 60.5/64.6
F250 = 67.6/67.6
Over Seven inches more for the 250 over the 150 in seat width in the front. Three more inches in the rear.
Both Vehicles have nice cabins. I'll tip my hat to the half ton for having an a bit more length in the cab. But I prefer my roomy, wide seating in my SuperDuty.
#48
09-04-2013, 08:41 PM
I thread I can *really* relate to. Last week I traded in my 2012 F-150, Ecoboost, crew cab with 6.5 foot bed for a 2013 F-250 6.7, crew cab with 6.5 foot bed. My F-150 also had tow mirrors, so these two trucks are almost the exact same length and width. I stepped up to the 250 because I needed the towing capacity, and the 150 wasn't quite enough. Plus, who can argue with 800 ft lbs? 
Others above have already mentioned the differences between these trucks, but few have actually owned the recent models like I have and had to live with them. Here's what I've noticed in my one week of ownership. These are relative comparisons, so don't take any of them to mean either truck is 'bad.'
- Fuel economy. I was getting around 17.x MPG in the F150; I'm seeing around 16.x in the F250 on the same commute.
- Ride quality. The 250 rides quite a bit rougher, although I'm hoping that upgrading the shocks (I have the FX4) and steering stabilizer will help. It isn't bad by any means. It's just that Ford has really tuned the F150 to ride like a car almost whereas the 250 rides like a truck. Road / wind noise is about the same.
- Handling. The F150 definitely handles better. It tracks straighter and takes the turns better. It feels more agile.
- Power. This is the strange part. The 6.7 in the 250 has more power on paper, but the 150 with Ecoboost accelerates quicker, as confirmed by the 0 to 60 times in car reviews. Throw an 8000 lb trailer on the back and I'm sure this equation flips.
- Height. Parking garages can be an issue with the 250, which is around 5 inches taller than my 150. My 250 can't fit in the airport parking garage, whereas the 150 could.
- Weight. According to my local CAT scale, my F150 weighed 6000 lbs, my F250 is 8000 lbs. That makes the fuel economy of the 250 pretty amazing, considering that it's carrying around 33% more weight.
The 150 is a better vehicle for day to day, non-towing driving, but I still like the 250 better so I have no regrets, especially if you need the towing capacity like I did. Let me know if you have any questions about these two fine trucks.
Others above have already mentioned the differences between these trucks, but few have actually owned the recent models like I have and had to live with them. Here's what I've noticed in my one week of ownership. These are relative comparisons, so don't take any of them to mean either truck is 'bad.'
- Fuel economy. I was getting around 17.x MPG in the F150; I'm seeing around 16.x in the F250 on the same commute.
- Ride quality. The 250 rides quite a bit rougher, although I'm hoping that upgrading the shocks (I have the FX4) and steering stabilizer will help. It isn't bad by any means. It's just that Ford has really tuned the F150 to ride like a car almost whereas the 250 rides like a truck. Road / wind noise is about the same.
- Handling. The F150 definitely handles better. It tracks straighter and takes the turns better. It feels more agile.
- Power. This is the strange part. The 6.7 in the 250 has more power on paper, but the 150 with Ecoboost accelerates quicker, as confirmed by the 0 to 60 times in car reviews. Throw an 8000 lb trailer on the back and I'm sure this equation flips.
- Height. Parking garages can be an issue with the 250, which is around 5 inches taller than my 150. My 250 can't fit in the airport parking garage, whereas the 150 could.
- Weight. According to my local CAT scale, my F150 weighed 6000 lbs, my F250 is 8000 lbs. That makes the fuel economy of the 250 pretty amazing, considering that it's carrying around 33% more weight.
The 150 is a better vehicle for day to day, non-towing driving, but I still like the 250 better so I have no regrets, especially if you need the towing capacity like I did. Let me know if you have any questions about these two fine trucks.
I drove one today for a fairly long ride, and I enjoyed it. Sure, it' bounces more than a 150, but it's a truck, and that's what I expect. I hit some good bumps, and all was fine. The power was very nice!
The parking garage issue isn't helpful, but it's not a deal breaker.
I also checked on insurance as I was curious, and it's an additional $400 on my premium for the 250, and about $300 for the 150. I don't know what another car would cost, but I imagine it wouldn't be much different.
Here are a few questions for you: 1) The roof clearance lights. Do those stay on with the parking lights, or can they be switched off? I don't care for them, and two of the trucks I've looked at both have them as an option. 2) What is the #9900 GVWR package all about? It limits the GVWR to 9900 lbs. Why? I understand that there may be certain restrictions that require this, but I'm not sure how that might impact me. 3) FX4 suspension. Does that produce a stiffer ride? 4) Do you have the supplemental heater? It seems like a nice option.
Thank you!
#49
09-04-2013, 09:15 PM
I'll answer what I can. The GVWR packages are just "paper" options to meet state weight restrictions. It shouldn't matter to you unless you're going to tow something really heavy, like over 10K pounds. Even then, I view the GVWR 'option' as more of a paper restriction. The true GVWR of the 250 is higher than 10K IMO.
I've heard the FX4 package is a stiffer ride because the shocks aren't that great. Poor shocks can make the ride feel jittery. I'm just passing along what I've read. Read up on people who have upgraded their FX4 shocks to Bilstein 5100's or Rancho 9000's.
I've heard the FX4 package is a stiffer ride because the shocks aren't that great. Poor shocks can make the ride feel jittery. I'm just passing along what I've read. Read up on people who have upgraded their FX4 shocks to Bilstein 5100's or Rancho 9000's.
#50
09-05-2013, 06:26 AM
I'll answer what I can. The GVWR packages are just "paper" options to meet state weight restrictions. It shouldn't matter to you unless you're going to tow something really heavy, like over 10K pounds. Even then, I view the GVWR 'option' as more of a paper restriction. The true GVWR of the 250 is higher than 10K IMO.
I've heard the FX4 package is a stiffer ride because the shocks aren't that great. Poor shocks can make the ride feel jittery. I'm just passing along what I've read. Read up on people who have upgraded their FX4 shocks to Bilstein 5100's or Rancho 9000's.
I've heard the FX4 package is a stiffer ride because the shocks aren't that great. Poor shocks can make the ride feel jittery. I'm just passing along what I've read. Read up on people who have upgraded their FX4 shocks to Bilstein 5100's or Rancho 9000's.
#52
09-05-2013, 11:05 AM
The FX4 is an inexpensive option that adds hill descent control, skid plates, cheap Rancho shocks, and most importantly resale value, at least around here. No reason not to get it. Worst case scenario you upgrade the shocks sometime down the road.
For reference, even my dealer doesn't charge that...
For reference, even my dealer doesn't charge that...
#57
09-05-2013, 02:11 PM
No, I think you read that wrong. You should get the FX4 package. It doesn't cost much, and it adds some nice features. Plus usually the resale value is a little higher (or at least more people will be interested in it). The only downside is some people don't like the different shocks that come on it. Fine, worst-case scenario you end up replacing the shocks at some point.
#58
09-05-2013, 02:22 PM
No, I think you read that wrong. You should get the FX4 package. It doesn't cost much, and it adds some nice features. Plus usually the resale value is a little higher (or at least more people will be interested in it). The only downside is some people don't like the different shocks that come on it. Fine, worst-case scenario you end up replacing the shocks at some point.
Thanks for the clarification.
#59
09-05-2013, 02:26 PM
Thank you for all the helpful thoughts and answers. There are still a few open ones out there, and hopefully we'll get some comments.
I'd like to hijack my own thread for a moment, and ask some thoughts on color options: Tuxedo Black or Ruby Red. ?
Which do you like? I'm assuming black has a better resale value, although that's not much of a concern for me.
I'd like to hijack my own thread for a moment, and ask some thoughts on color options: Tuxedo Black or Ruby Red. ?
Which do you like? I'm assuming black has a better resale value, although that's not much of a concern for me.
#60
09-05-2013, 03:55 PM
