'98 Expedition "System Too Lean", P0171, P0174
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I have had the engine lights on my Expy for the last year. After replacing all of the above mentioned items they told me I had to replace the entire muffler system. 1800 was a rough estimate of what the said someone else paid not that long ago. Going under the hood tomorrow and looking for this little part and replacing.
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Check engine light with the "system too lean bank 1, system too lean bank 2" codes the other day. I got these a couple of years ago. It was the vacuum line elbow at the rear of the passenger side head. Since then, I changed out all the vacuum line I could find. This time it was the intake tube going into the throttle body. Last time I had it off, I must have kinked it putting it back on. Luckily I found one at a local u-pull junkyard for $5.
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No it wasn't near any heat source. When I found it, it was folded over underneath at the 6 o'clock position. I unfolded it and it started to break apart. I put it back on, duct taped it, then put the clamp back on. It looks worse in the pic because I peeled off the duct tape and took some little pieces of the hose with it.
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I seem to have the same symptoms many of you have experienced... Weird/rough idle at times, loss of power!!! I have limited mechanical experience but based on what I have read doing searches, if this is the problem even I should be able to fix this. Only question is most hear seam to have the 5.4L does this apply to my 4.6L (windsor) 4x4 156,000m? I should mention I have not seen a CEL to date but we did just buy this a month ago... Today I will be cleaning the MAS, replacing the PCV Valve and the Air Filter?
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* SOLVED *
I wanted to be sure to post the solution... I know it's been YEARS since I posted my problem, so I copied it here. Same as most in the thread. None of my tubes were at all damaged; after replacing a clogged fuel filter and not getting anywhere with even that, I finally sprang for a low-cost RockAuto MAF and it has been smooth (and much more powerful) sailing ever since. So, sometimes it is the MAF. Too bad you have to pretty much do elimination on everything else first.
Thanks Gumbel for the idea. I'm still trying to find my problem; doesn't seem to be a vacuum leak of any stripe. I haven't sprung for the MAF yet, but mine seems clean and when I 'play' with it while the truck is idling, it does respond to changes in the airflow.
I am not so concerned about trying the IAC as the problem is not quite as much an idle problem as it is an acceleration issue. If I really 'floor' it, the trans kicks down, the engine revs up, and the missing abates. It doesn't always go away completely though.
So, if the fuel delivery was really an issue, wouldn't more demand for fuel exacerbate rather than ameliorate the issue?
Next tests: fuel filter and pressure check. The smart money seems to be on the MAF, though. I'm guessing it is out of spec, but still working somewhat.
I am not so concerned about trying the IAC as the problem is not quite as much an idle problem as it is an acceleration issue. If I really 'floor' it, the trans kicks down, the engine revs up, and the missing abates. It doesn't always go away completely though.
So, if the fuel delivery was really an issue, wouldn't more demand for fuel exacerbate rather than ameliorate the issue?
Next tests: fuel filter and pressure check. The smart money seems to be on the MAF, though. I'm guessing it is out of spec, but still working somewhat.
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I wanted to be sure to post the solution... I know it's been YEARS since I posted my problem, so I copied it here. Same as most in the thread. None of my tubes were at all damaged; after replacing a clogged fuel filter and not getting anywhere with even that, I finally sprang for a low-cost RockAuto MAF and it has been smooth (and much more powerful) sailing ever since. So, sometimes it is the MAF. Too bad you have to pretty much do elimination on everything else first.
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Whelp I just seafoamed the heck out of her. She was thirsty. She end up drinking about half if not a little more then I expected. Added about half the can in a quarter tank. Ran her down 495 at 70-75 with overdrive off. She acted as if she was going to stall when I was adding the foam but didn't. Anyway, the only smoke I saw was when I pulled off my block. I've seen more smoke from a weed whacker on startup.
I will add she does idle a heck of a lot better. I can barely hear her. Should I clear the codes? I will have to remove the battery, no code scanner yet. Saving up for a good one.
Update: so far so good. Cleared the code and filled the tank with 91(not trying to start another debate about fuel). It is just what I like; the feel and driveability is better. Plus, she is less funky in smell.
I will add she does idle a heck of a lot better. I can barely hear her. Should I clear the codes? I will have to remove the battery, no code scanner yet. Saving up for a good one.
Update: so far so good. Cleared the code and filled the tank with 91(not trying to start another debate about fuel). It is just what I like; the feel and driveability is better. Plus, she is less funky in smell.
Last edited by Man_tlac83; 07-14-2015 at 04:32 PM. Reason: Update
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