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Old 06-28-2013, 07:27 AM
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possible truck purchase but "needs pcm"

so, my search for a crew cab truck continues, but one just came on the market nearby with lots of miles but a body that's in reasonable shape. if the guy would come down in price a bit, i'd consider buying it, but a line in his ad says: "needs pcm."

my question is: could swapping my good PCM into his truck with a potentially suspect electrical system kill my PCM? i'm figuring the obvious answer is yes, if there is a short in the system somewhere that killed his PCM in the first place, it would just kill mine again, right quick. but if it was just water that go into his PCM, or some internal fault of the PCM, swapping mine in would be OK.

before I just swapped it over, though, i'd hook up my AF scanguage to his truck and see what it says. as long as it communicates, then, the PCM is not totally fried and should tell me what's, wrong, right? if I get nothing on the scanguage, his PCM is, indeed, cooked and mine may well be soon, too if I swap it in, right?

my first thought is that the truck just stopped running on him and if he's inexperienced with these engines, he may just assume its a pcm problem, but could well be a cps, ipr, #22 fuse etc. it'd be easy enough to shake down that issue, given some time, though.

any quick thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated, as i'm hoping to go see the truck this afternoon...

thanks!
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Old 06-28-2013, 07:40 AM
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so, my search for a crew cab truck continues, but one just came on the market nearby with lots of miles but a body that's in reasonable shape. if the guy would come down in price a bit, i'd consider buying it, but a line in his ad says: "needs pcm."

my question is: could swapping my good PCM into his truck with a potentially suspect electrical system kill my PCM? i'm figuring the obvious answer is yes, if there is a short in the system somewhere that killed his PCM in the first place, it would just kill mine again, right quick. but if it was just water that go into his PCM, or some internal fault of the PCM, swapping mine in would be OK.

before I just swapped it over, though, i'd hook up my AF scanguage to his truck and see what it says. as long as it communicates, then, the PCM is not totally fried and should tell me what's, wrong, right? if I get nothing on the scanguage, his PCM is, indeed, cooked and mine may well be soon, too if I swap it in, right?

my first thought is that the truck just stopped running on him and if he's inexperienced with these engines, he may just assume its a pcm problem, but could well be a cps, ipr, #22 fuse etc. it'd be easy enough to shake down that issue, given some time, though.

any quick thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated, as i'm hoping to go see the truck this afternoon...

thanks!
I agree there is always a risk when swapping electrical parts, but i recently got done diagnosing my truck and swapped idm's from truck to truck,BUT, I took my thought to be bad idm and put it into my known to be good running truck to diagnose, I would recommend that if you eliminate all the other possible "no start" or reason to post "needs PCM" issue! But it was still a risk when I decided to take the good idm and run it in my truck that had the bad one, but it has been a few weeks and all is well!! Electrical shat can just quit, so the risk I think is low.....?
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:01 AM
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good point - if it reads dead with the scanner, I can assume it won't start my truck either. if it reads alive, but with problems and I can't pinpoint it to an exact cause, swapping it into my truck and confirm it runs my truck OK would say that it is an engine-side electrical problem and not a pcm-side issue.

its a fine line to walk either way in this case - I don't want to fix the truck in front of him because then his price will go up or he won't sell at all. I also don't want to buy a truck that is unfixable. I guess that's why i'll plan on not paying much for it and just go ahead and sell it again or part it out if I can't fix it with a reasonable amount of time and effort...
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good point - if it reads dead with the scanner, I can assume it won't start my truck either. if it reads alive, but with problems and I can't pinpoint it to an exact cause, swapping it into my truck and confirm it runs my truck OK would say that it is an engine-side electrical problem and not a pcm-side issue.

its a fine line to walk either way in this case - I don't want to fix the truck in front of him because then his price will go up or he won't sell at all. I also don't want to buy a truck that is unfixable. I guess that's why i'll plan on not paying much for it and just go ahead and sell it again or part it out if I can't fix it with a reasonable amount of time and effort...
That's true! Sounds like you know about all you could know to Hopedully diagnose without actually fixing it and get a steal of a deal!! You might almost feel bad if you get it dirt cheap and its an easy fix, but hopefully that only last for a few seconds!! Lol!! Good luck man!!
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PCMs sometimes just stop working for no reason other than a internal component failure. So if you trust that the seller hasn't done anything to the rig to cause the failure I would give it a shot. Also Python Injection is a good outfit for PCM repair.
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You might almost feel bad if you get it dirt cheap and its an easy fix, but hopefully that only last for a few seconds!! Lol!! Good luck man!!
thanks! I won't feel that bad. if he's just given up on it and wants some money for a truck he can't fix, then i'm happy to take that deal!

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PCMs sometimes just stop working for no reason other than a internal component failure. So if you trust that the seller hasn't done anything to the rig to cause the failure I would give it a shot. Also Python Injection is a good outfit for PCM repair.
good to know - part of buying this truck would be converting it over to manual, though, and I already have a manual PCM in my barn ready to go in. the truck is auto now, though, so i'd have to get it fixed and working with the pcm from my other psd, though, which is [still] auto.

hopefully the truck isn't a big rust bucket though - that would be a dealbreaker.
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Might just be fuse #22 ... if so

Don't tell the owner.
Negotiate a good price.
Tow it around the block.
Unplug fuel heater and replace fuse #22.
Start it up and drive past his place honking horn.

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If the body is nice..and the price is cheap enough...who cares ...anything is fixable...its a cc!
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