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Old 06-24-2013, 05:01 PM
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The new truck broke down - need advice quick

I lost power steering and the brakes, so I figured the serpentine belt came off. Pulled off the road, and sure enough the belt was off.

It was caused by the vacuum pump pulley breaking. I've never seen anything like it.

Question is: I can get a pulley for about $25 or a new pump with the pulley on it for $125. Is it a worth $100 to change the pulley or is it a really bad job?
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the pulley will only break when the pump locks up...

buy a replacement pump and belt.

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The pump is not siezed. Its almost brand new. I'll post some pics. It looks like the pulley was just defective. It did ruin an other wise good belt which sucks.
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It seems really odd that the pulley would just break off, do you still have a

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To do would be install 6.0 intercooler (need pipes and boots)
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Seriously, I would be taking that thing back and raising some Hell
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To do would be install 6.0 intercooler (need pipes and boots)
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If the pump is new, then maybe whoever changed the pump damaged the pulley, like cracked it trying to pull it incorrectly. Looks to me like they might have tied to use a gear puller on the outer edge of the pulley and cracked it, then pressed it back on the new pump. I'd try the pulley first.
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Change the pulley first..

It's not worth $100 to have anyone change the pulley. You can do it yourself very easily. Takes me about 10-15 minutes. I have a bunch of pics on my photobucket that I can put in here if you need to see how to change it. All you need is some wrenches, a socket/breaker bar for the tensioner, and the pulley puller/installer tool. The puller only costs like $20 IIRC at parts stores.
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Change the pulley first..

It's not worth $100 to have anyone change the pulley. You can do it yourself very easily. Takes me about 10-15 minutes. I have a bunch of pics on my photobucket that I can put in here if you need to see how to change it. All you need is some wrenches, a socket/breaker bar for the tensioner, and the pulley puller/installer tool. The puller only costs like $20 IIRC at parts stores.
Yes definitely use the correct tool! This is the puller I have....Performance Tool Power Steering Pump/Alternator Pulley Puller, Model# W87020 | Specialty Tools| Northern Tool + Equipment

And this is the installer........Performance Tool Ford Power Steering Pump Pulley Installer, Model# W87021 | Specialty Tools| Northern Tool + Equipment

They work great!
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Yup, it's starting to add up -- fairly new pump, pulley most likely transferred from previous pump, pulley fails --> pulley was removed by a jaw puller. I've seen it mentioned at least once that if you use a jaw puller on a p/s or vac pump pulley, it will break.

I've used this tool from Harbor Freight - Pulley Remover and Installer Set - both to remove and install the pulley on a vac pump R&I. AFAIK most FLAPS have one like it to lend out.
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I got my installer and puller in a kit from Advance Auto Parts. Came with both the puller and the installer in one kit.
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I bought mine at a Western Auto parts store. They weren't in a kit together though. They were hanging right beside each other in separate packages. I think I paid more for mine than what was on the Northern Tool link I posted though
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Thanks guys. The pulley should be here today. I am going to either rent/buy a puller from the parts store.

Travis, hopefulley I can figure it out myself, but I'll let you know if I need those pictures.

Also, The cap for the PS pump was either knocked half off or else blew half off. I don't know what's up with that. But now i have a bunch of PS fluid to clean off the engine.
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you can also get a cheap installer here:
McMaster-Carr ...except you have to buy them in packages of 50 (though you can buy them one at a time at your local hardware store, probably)

in other words - a bolt and some washers works just fine for doing the re-install. the thread on in the pump shaft is 3/8-16. an 1.5" screw and some washers to shorten in up when the screw bottoms in the threads is all you need.

pulling on the hub instead of the rim of the pulley makes a lot of sense, though!
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Thanks guys. The pulley should be here today. I am going to either rent/buy a puller from the parts store.

Travis, hopefulley I can figure it out myself, but I'll let you know if I need those pictures.

Also, The cap for the PS pump was either knocked half off or else blew half off. I don't know what's up with that. But now i have a bunch of PS fluid to clean off the engine.
When the belt broke, the power steering pump quit pumping, and when you turn the steering wheel without the pump pumping, it forces the fluid up and out the cap. It should be fine when you get the belt back on. Just remember to check the fluid level after it's warmed up.
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