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Old 06-10-2013, 08:19 PM
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I would try changing the fuel filter and maybe change out that rubber line to hard line. just my 2cents
 
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Hey BTodd,
Welcome Aboard! Nice looking truck - You don't see many with visors these days. You wouldn't think San Francisco would present many vapor lock issues unless you live out past The foothills a bit.

We had a vapor lock issue with our '50 initially but it get's pretty hot here in Texas. You could here a whistling coming from the gas tank & when you took off the cap air rushed in/out. We went with a vented gas cap & added more venting to the tank itself. There weren't any issues in the winter only when things started to heat up in The Spring.

Good luck over there in the Bay Area.

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Originally Posted by The Horvaths
On the contrary! The steel conducts heat well compared to the rubber. Lick the two on an ice-cold Montana morning and tell me otherwise.
Anyway, wooden clothes pins do not serve as a heat sink. Rather, they serve to insulate the steel line from the high temperature ambient air in the engine compartment. I have my fuel line covered with pipe insulation (AKA: "donkey Донг"). No worries regarding vapor lock ever again.
Also, make sure that the fuel flow isn't restricted by a clogged filter or rust/crud in tank. The lowered pressure that a restriction causes on the inlet side of a fuel pump will greatly aggravate vapor lock tendencies.
I agree that wood is not a good conductor I did not indicate in my post why the clothespins work, only that it did work for me (on a steel line). I do not believe that I used enough clothespins to be an effective insulator. I do not know why the clothespin trick works (at least on steel line) but am suspicious that they create a more turbulent airflow adjacent to the fuel line.
On that cross country trip it was hot and I was flat towing a Model A (see pix in my gallery). I tried a number of things before stopping and having an old timer in a gas station offer the suggestion. I did not initially buy into his suggestion. He indicated that he use to keep some clothespins at the station but did not have any then. I remained skeptical until he offered to go home and get some. At that point I told him that I would take him up on his offer. I took down his name and address promising to tell him how it worked out. In a note to him after the trip, I enclosed a package of new clothespins for the "next guy"!
 
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Originally Posted by wavetrain75
Fuel filter? Sounds a lot like fuel filter to me, I'd replace that before I looked at anything else.
Thanks. Yes. I have replaced the fuel filter, the old one was metal and I've replaced it with plastic and can see that it looks clean. Should have mentioned that in the original post.
 
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Kurt G.
I would try changing the fuel filter and maybe change out that rubber line to hard line. just my 2cents
Thanks. Yes, fuel filter done. Interesting thought on the steel versus rubber lines.
 
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Originally Posted by raytasch
And is the gas tank venting?
Thanks. I'll check into that. I can see how that would cause or contribute to the same kind of problem.
 
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Originally Posted by ben73058
Hey BTodd,
Welcome Aboard! Nice looking truck - You don't see many with visors these days. You wouldn't think San Francisco would present many vapor lock issues unless you live out past The foothills a bit.

We had a vapor lock issue with our '50 initially but it get's pretty hot here in Texas. You could here a whistling coming from the gas tank & when you took off the cap air rushed in/out. We went with a vented gas cap & added more venting to the tank itself. There weren't any issues in the winter only when things started to heat up in The Spring.

Good luck over there in the Bay Area.

Ben in Austin
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Thanks Ben! I'm about 75 mi north of SF in one of the hottest parts of Sonoma County. Still not as hot as Austin, I 'm guessing, but yeah, 90's and up pretty often. I'll check into the tank venting. Seems like it could be a key factor.
 
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I mentioned hardline v.s. rubber because I've heard of rubber lines having problems and having reduced flow.
 
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Originally Posted by Kurt G.
I mentioned hardline v.s. rubber because I've heard of rubber lines having problems and having reduced flow.
Thanks. That makes sense to me.
 
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An easy way to check for fuel tank venting issues is to loosen the filler cap.
 
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Originally Posted by The Horvaths
An easy way to check for fuel tank venting issues is to loosen the filler cap.
Would the best way to do that be to start it and run it for a while then open the cap and listen for pressure release?
 
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Hey BTodd,
You'll know if you have a venting issue. Just drive around when it's warm/hot for about 10 minutes - then pop off the fuel filler cap.
If you get a loud rushing of air - that's it. A vented cap doesn't cost much <$10.

It will stink up your garage more than a closed cap. After complaining from the female side of the family we ran a vent to a charcoal canister.

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Originally Posted by B Todd
Would the best way to do that be to start it and run it for a while then open the cap and listen for pressure release?
If you have a venting problem it won't be pressure....it will be a vacuum. The rushing sound will be air going into the tank. If the vent is not working, the tank will pull a vacuum after you run it for a while....that vacuum eventually matches the suction of the fuel pump and fuel stops flowing.

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Originally Posted by ben73058
Hey BTodd,
You'll know if you have a venting issue. Just drive around when it's warm/hot for about 10 minutes - then pop off the fuel filler cap.
If you get a loud rushing of air - that's it. A vented cap doesn't cost much <$10.

It will stink up your garage more than a closed cap. After complaining from the female side of the family we ran a vent to a charcoal canister.

Ben in Austin
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I'll check it out. Thanks. My truck's in a tent garage away from the house, so no worries on the aroma.
 
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Originally Posted by old_dan
If you have a venting problem it won't be pressure....it will be a vacuum. The rushing sound will be air going into the tank. If the vent is not working, the tank will pull a vacuum after you run it for a while....that vacuum eventually matches the suction of the fuel pump and fuel stops flowing.

Dan
Yep. That's what was thinking, but bad choice of words on my part. Thanks.
 
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