I got a generic email from carlisle. I guess there were some complaints about the entry fee fro big trucks.

Their response was .... where do you get a 3 day pass, with parking for (what ever it costs)

I sent them an email about their 1/2 assed judging procedures. They had 3 different judges in my 4 truck class. And I dont mean 3 judges went over all 4 trucks. I mean 3 judges did one truck a piece and one judge did 2. How is that fair and impartial?

 

Congrats to Eric, High Intentions, for 3rd place in the Ford 4X4 or Lifted SUV & Special Interest Street category.

Truck must have been dirty,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOT!




http://www.carlisleevents.com/pdf/20...ck_Winners.pdf

 

There was some coaching going on next to me - a female judge was coaching her "buddy" in a pink camo'd SuperDuty parked next to me. I actually ended up asking if the female judge was going to be judging the class or not. The trophy isn't important to me but fairness is. Fortunately we had a different judge and the pink SD did not place.

 

It's not Brad. I showed both my trucks one year and based on their judging guidelines on their website, I felt I could be competitive. My 06' as well as my 78' are not show trucks. I didn't build them to be. They are both daily drivers for me and see mud, rain, snow and trips to Lowes. I keep them clean but certainly can't compete with newly restored trailer queens that rarely see the outside of a garage. But, that's just what happened. I was judged against trucks with custom paint jobs, excessive lifts, and a host of other things that according to Carlisle's judging guidelines, clearly should have disqualified them from my class. I wrote them several emails and letters but it fell an deaf ears and I never got a response. Washing and detailing 2 trucks for a show and paying additional fees to be judged is a lot of work as I'm sure you know. That is why for the last couple years, I just park my trucks up by the club tent and enjoy the weekend. I'm not going through all the trouble to be on the judged show field if I can't be competitive. Just my $.02. I agree with the consensus though that CP is pricing themselves out for a lot of folks. Turn out this year was a fraction of what I've seen in previous years.

 

Looks like next year, we, the Club, may have to pay for the tent. Scott can verify this.

 

I believe this to be the case. We can always build a "canopy city" like gets done at Bloomsburg and avoid the ridiculous tent charge too.

 

AND ignore the b/s that Scott and others have had to go thru with the idiots at Carlisle Events!

Won't have to worry about pre-registering either to get numbers to count. What a joke.

 

My truck fits in this category also - gets a LOT more daily service than many in my class. I was just glad they moved some of the really worked over 97-present Super Duty trucks (that's what they happened to be...) with body wraps, excessive plating and chrome and extreme lifts to their own class. Made it much more of an apples to apples comparison with my class. Last year, there was only one or maybe two that fit that "excessive" description, and they left them in the 97-present class...and no one could fairly compete with that.

 

I hear ya Bill. It's frustrating

 

Jerry I think it was OUR bumper. I'm ready to take it off your truck.

 

If we do Carlisle next year in the "club" fashion, yes, we will have to pay for a tent. But if they keep jacking up the rates, its going to be tough to keep people coming. It went up this year to $50 for non-judged & $65 for showfield. I got an email from my contact person and he was curious about the down numbers and if anyone was missed on the list. I responded but haven't heard anything back.

Do I take it personally that the numbers are down? Yes, but regardless, we still had fun. We had a good group of folks & great sponsors.

 

I'd say go up as a club still. But if ya got a canopy bring it and put them together. My .02

 

Might just be the way to go Eric.

 

Numbers were defiantly down. Hell. I had 2 of the 4 trucks in my class.

That really nice "show" bronco was confused as to why he was put in a PICKUP class. He had to go a BEG to be moved to SUV, but they still put him in with "STREET" trucks, not Modified. And of course he got 1st.

My 2 trucks placed 3rd and last. The last place(dually) is the nicer of the 2 truck I entered. And I am not just saying that because I redid the dually, but because it is. I LOVE my white/blue truck more than anything, but the dually is nicer. As for 1st and second place trucks. 1st had a scaly frame that was undercoated to TRY and hide it. It didn't work. it also had visible RUST blisters on the cab corners and fenders. The 2nd place truck again had a Scaly frame and undercoated to TRY and hide it and didnt do the job. Also, that truck was done about 5-6 years ago and the massive amount of stone chips with the wrong color touch up makes it plainly obvious.

here is what I sent Carlisle

To Whom it May Concern:

As the largest truck show on the east coast, I held the Carlisle Truck Show in high regard. I have experienced many truck shows, of all shapes and sizes over the years from local charity shows to this, a national truck event. Throughout my experience, I have had my trucks judged a multitude of ways. Unfortunately after your event this year I'm left extremely frustrated with your judging system. I am not alone in this thinking and this was more evident than years prior. I am writing this to request review of your processes.

I have attended your event over the last few years, and each year I have become more disappointed and frustrated with the judging procedures at your event. As a national truck show with thousands of registrants, the largest show on the east coast, I would hope your judging and scoring system would be more structured, unbiased and better organized.

My experience this year, and in years prior, is that your judges are under qualified or not properly assigned for their skill set. Within my class, I entered two trucks, each was scored and judged by a different person, within a class of less than 5 trucks. How can there be so many judges for one, very small truck class? For the amount of money paid for event registration and spectators, I would expect that the money would go toward qualified personnel to judge.

There needs to be some sense of unbiased score system, not randomized individuals, that take into account, spectator comments or trash talking the competition. Multiple judges would be great, if each was assigned a specific category or area of expertise to examine. For example, a qualified body technician to oversee paint/body work, and a chassis specialists for the frame and suspension. These are just examples, you can go multiple steps further with each category or leave it as plain and simple as that. Another route would be a scoring rubric, but this should be created and approved by individuals that work on, admire, and are passionate about trucks. Score sheets should be readily available to participants in order to keep the judging as honest/fair as a possible and room for improvement on categories that are lacking, where points were lost. One final way, would be to have a single individual who has expertise within the brand and class review all vehicles, so that when inquiries are made about why a decision was made, participants would be provided that information with ease.

I am very particular and extremely critical when it comes to judging my work. I recognize that my trucks are in no way flawless and would expect nothing but constructive, qualified feedback. Any owner should take stock in that criticism, and strive for perfection if they have not achieved it.

This year I entered two trucks of the four trucks entered in the R315 class. Each of my trucks, entry 101 and entry 102, were judged by different individuals. I was awarded third place with one of my trucks. Upon being told this, I inquired about which vehicle won and was told it was the F350,both of my trucks were. At the time, no one could advise which truck won and after being told to come back in 30 minutes, I was told it was truck 101. Your first place winner, had visible rot on their truck, your second place winner had a scaly frame that was far from smooth. The two trucks I brought, I hoped based on their similar qualities and workmanship, would have placed one behind the other (truck 102 and 101). Truck 102 was restored within the past six months and has a very pristine(body, frame, suspension,interior) with many custom features. Its engine is pretty clean, but not perfect. Truck 101 is almost an all original truck, with some bolt ons. While the body and paint look nice, they are not as nice as 102. The frame and suspension is clean, but is it 17 years old. The interior is pristine. Now, by those descriptions, you would think that 102 would of placed higher than 101. However based on this weekends judging, 101 beat 102.

I'm not not disgruntled or looking for any revised placings. I'm not asking for an apology or for any special accommodations. I am asking that your system be reviewed and revised. I'm simply looking for the money I have invested in my registrations be used to secure a qualified, educated and unbiased judge or judging panel. I expect that if nothing else, my concerns be reviewed and should you decide not to make changes, I wish you the best but I will not return to your show and will advise other registrants who have pride in their vehicles to consider doing the same.

Thanks again,

Brad E. Raube

 

I agree. I've got a 10X15