Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Super Duty/Heavy Duty > Super Duty & Heavy Duty
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Super Duty & Heavy Duty 1999 to current Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines SPONSORED BY:

Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 05-07-2013, 05:04 PM
DumbBlonde DumbBlonde is offline
New User
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1
DumbBlonde is starting off with a positive reputation.
Pin Weight of new trailer

I know this has been discussed but I still don't understand. Hence my "dumb blonde" user name.

I just purchased a 2013 super duty f350 extended crew cab DRW.

I also purchased a 42 foot (box is 36) Goose neck Bison LQ horse trailer. Trailer weight is 12048 and tongue weight is 4468. Fully loaded I am about 18,500.

Truck pulls and stops great but it is obvious the rear suspension is sagging.

Of course the sales reps on both sides (ford and bison) told me the combo was no problem but with the rear sag is obviously is.....dumb *** me.

Now what? Do I need air bags? Timbren? Spring Coils? I have called several installers and they all say something different.

Please help this dumb *** blonde!!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-07-2013, 05:35 PM
redford's Avatar
redford redford is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hooterville WI
Posts: 16,000
redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.
Hi DumbBlonde and welcome to FTE..

You're good to well over 22k on trailer weight, based on the factory rating, so no worries there.

I would get a set of air bags to level out the rear suspension. That way you can deflate them when not in use. You can even get a system that automatically levels the suspension. if you want.
__________________

2007 F-250 Super Cab Short Bed 4x4 XLT Sport Package 5.4L 3.73LS Tow Command

Stuart
Retired Master Sergeant

FTE Guidelines
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-07-2013, 06:06 PM
texastech_diesel's Avatar
texastech_diesel texastech_diesel is offline
Disgruntled Texan
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Justin, TX
Posts: 5,549
texastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputation
You have some really exact numbers so I'm assuming they come off a weight ticket from a scale, that means your head is screwed on straight so far. Far from a ******* at least.

I'd say airbags, a set with an on-board compressor and a way to fill/deflate from inside the cab. It might cost a penny or two, but it'll allow to to adjust the air based on the load easier. It's a horse trailer with LQ, so it's heavy enough on its own to where you'd need to adjust for just adding the trailer, plus adjust again for adding stock.
__________________
Bryan- 2007 F-250 FX4 6.0L

I'm all jacked up on America right now! Anyone want to hear me recite the Constitution?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-07-2013, 07:30 PM
edjunior's Avatar
edjunior edjunior is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Roman Forest, TX
Posts: 1,225
edjunior is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Yep. Airbags with a wireless remote compressor. Can't be beat. I don't have near the pin weight you do, and only an F-250, but it sure helped mine. Leveled it out and smoothed it a bit on the concrete jungle of Houston (and elsewhere when pulling the 5th wheel).
__________________
Ed
2011 F-250 XLT
6.7L PSD, Firestone Airbags
Airlift Wireless Remote to pump 'em up

I thought I was wrong once, but I was wrong!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-07-2013, 08:07 PM
tgreening's Avatar
tgreening tgreening is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 784
tgreening has a good reputation on FTE.tgreening has a good reputation on FTE.
My pin weight is normally around 4,300 lbs. I vote in a big way, and use, air bags. My only difference between most folks is I see no need to have to adjust stuff on the fly.

I decided I want my truck to ride level, always, so I installed set of bags with an auto-adjust. I set the ride height when I installed it, and I haven't adjusted it since. If I hook my trailer, it pumps back up to a level ride. If I unhook the trailer, the system dumps air till it's level again. It doesn't matter if I'm loading a trailer, passengers, or just fuel, the system takes care of itself.

The only time I "control" things is when I'm unhooking the trailer. I have an on/off switch hooked up so when I unhook I can shut things off. If I don't as soon as I start to take the load off the system will dump air to level itself, which leaves the truck hanging from the pin a bit.

I just turn it off, pull away, and turn it back on. Done.
__________________
2008 F-450 DRW Job 3. Motor, wheels, tires, electric stuff, electronic stuff, plastic stuff. Oh, windows and seats and stuff.........Impressed yet?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-07-2013, 08:25 PM
arlan in arizona arlan in arizona is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 5
arlan in arizona is starting off with a positive reputation.
So how much pin weight will a 5th wheel or goose neck hitch take before it starts to sag on a 3500 DRW LB F350 say my 2013 Model? Not wanting to do that. Just wondering as I have a 5th wheel coming with a hitch weight of 3260#
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-07-2013, 09:57 PM
tgreening's Avatar
tgreening tgreening is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 784
tgreening has a good reputation on FTE.tgreening has a good reputation on FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by arlan in arizona View Post
So how much pin weight will a 5th wheel or goose neck hitch take before it starts to sag on a 3500 DRW LB F350 say my 2013 Model? Not wanting to do that. Just wondering as I have a 5th wheel coming with a hitch weight of 3260#


Based on my 450, and the fact that the superduties of today are not strictly the "work" trucks they were in the olden days and try to have some sort of ride quality, I'm going to say not a whole lot.
__________________
2008 F-450 DRW Job 3. Motor, wheels, tires, electric stuff, electronic stuff, plastic stuff. Oh, windows and seats and stuff.........Impressed yet?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-21-2013, 02:55 PM
happyrock darrell's Avatar
happyrock darrell happyrock darrell is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Gladstone
Posts: 9
happyrock darrell is starting off with a positive reputation.
Hope this thread is still alive. 2010 F350 DW LB CC V-10 pulling a 37' 5er RV. F350 is 7800#, 5er is 12400#. Hooked the steer axle looses 100#, pin weight is 2460# and 5er dual axles are 9780#. Ride is not what I would like it to be..slapping and jerky at times. Thinking I should go with air bags to level out. Firestone system??? any other suggestions?
Thank you, Darrell
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-21-2013, 03:36 PM
rvpuller's Avatar
rvpuller rvpuller is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Home Base Nebraska
Posts: 2,380
rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by happyrock darrell View Post
Hope this thread is still alive. 2010 F350 DW LB CC V-10 pulling a 37' 5er RV. F350 is 7800#, 5er is 12400#. Hooked the steer axle looses 100#, pin weight is 2460# and 5er dual axles are 9780#. Ride is not what I would like it to be..slapping and jerky at times. Thinking I should go with air bags to level out. Firestone system??? any other suggestions?
Thank you, Darrell
If your truck goes past level when loaded you will lose weight on the front axle. I use Air Lift air bags to get the truck back to level, if you get the back to high when hooked up you can cause slapping and jerking so you have to be careful how much you compensate for the weight.

Denny
__________________
Moderator 6.2 & V10 Forum
2013 F350 Lariat SC DRW 2WD 6.2 4.30 Gears Air Lifts 50 Aux tank
2003 HH Premier 35 FKTG
Retired 2000 F350 Lariat SC DRW V10 4.30 Gears BrakeSmart
Air Lifts 4X2
http://www.ford-trucks.com/guidelines.html
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-21-2013, 03:50 PM
happyrock darrell's Avatar
happyrock darrell happyrock darrell is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Gladstone
Posts: 9
happyrock darrell is starting off with a positive reputation.
Makes sense Denny. The back of F350 squats a little. Not aggressively and the steer is unchanged visually.
My 5er is a toyhauler but I no longer have toys to haul. I am thinking the manufacturer allowed for the toy weight by setting the trailer axles back farther than they would have been in a normal live in 5er. Therefore, I could air bag the drive axle suspension and transfer the nose weight of the trailer back some. Also it would put the weight back on the steer. Does that make sense?
Thanks, Darrell
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-21-2013, 05:41 PM
rvpuller's Avatar
rvpuller rvpuller is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Home Base Nebraska
Posts: 2,380
rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.
I've pulled a few different RV 5th wheel trailers and they all seem act a little different depending on how the trailer is balanced, what kind of suspension they have and the location of the axles. I've only pulled our trailer with our new truck once, it was only a short test pull and I had a problem with it jerking that's something this trailer has never done before. I dumped some air out of the bags and I think it went away, I'll find out when we leave in July I'm thinking I can control it with the air bags.

Denny
__________________
Moderator 6.2 & V10 Forum
2013 F350 Lariat SC DRW 2WD 6.2 4.30 Gears Air Lifts 50 Aux tank
2003 HH Premier 35 FKTG
Retired 2000 F350 Lariat SC DRW V10 4.30 Gears BrakeSmart
Air Lifts 4X2
http://www.ford-trucks.com/guidelines.html
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-21-2013, 08:30 PM
Ferguson65 Ferguson65 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: southeast PA
Posts: 1,041
Ferguson65 has a good reputation on FTE.Ferguson65 has a good reputation on FTE.Ferguson65 has a good reputation on FTE.
My trailer is 2300 on the pin and it squats the 13 dually past level. Trailer was built to be able to haul a jeep on the back and camper on the front. I have yet to have the jeep on it, maybe never will as I think I'm going to sell the endless money pit. So I'm running roughly 33% on the pin, which isn't ideal, I'd be in the ideal range if the 6k Jeep was added to the back though, but it's also why I went DRW. The only issue I see is that 44xx on the pin is getting the truck real, real close to max gvwr. You really don't have any more options far as as pickup goes 350 and 450 are now both 14K gvwr, but I'd sure do bags on it. I can say that with mine at 2300, it did not change the front axle weight at all. I'm looking into bags for mine also.
__________________
Scott
-13 F350 CCLB 4x4 lariat dually, Airlift 5000 Ultimate Bags, STK ProRack, SEIC mod, Airlift wireless waiting in the box.........
-99 Escort ZX2
-06 Belmont goose/ 94 coleman hybrid toyhauler-for sale complete!
-15 Palomino Puma 351THSS on order!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-21-2013, 09:20 PM
senix's Avatar
senix senix is online now
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Frederick, MD
Posts: 20,669
senix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputationsenix has a superb reputation
I vote air bags and onboard compressor and tank.

Don't forget the aux fitting off the air tank so you can air up tires and things.

Everything 08 and up has weaker spring rates now. 11 and up are the worst.
__________________
Scott-2013 F350 with a lot of tires.
2013 40' 4-slider stoneridge 5th wheel coming in at 15,400; 2015 Lincoln MKC
http://www.ford-trucks.com/guidelines.html

Previous Truck 2008 F250 6.4 with lots of upgrades and a suspension upgrade from Torklift International StableLoads
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-21-2013, 09:47 PM
Tom's Avatar
Tom Tom is online now
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Union, CT
Posts: 15,042
Tom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputationTom has a superb reputation
TomB985
Quote:
Originally Posted by rvpuller View Post
If your truck goes past level when loaded you will lose weight on the front axle.
I can't argue the rest of your post, as I've never towed a light-duty 5th wheel. But this part is untrue; there is absolutely no mechanism to transfer weight off the front axle by simply increasing lift support on the rear. It just can't happen. As a former commercial driver there are a variety of things we did to get our axle weights to where they needed to be, but rear ride height was not one of them.
__________________
Tom,

Currently truckless.
Most recently: 2013 F150 XLT 4x4 EcoBoost
Moderators, Guidelines, and How They are Enforced
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-21-2013, 10:48 PM
rvpuller's Avatar
rvpuller rvpuller is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Home Base Nebraska
Posts: 2,380
rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.rvpuller has a very good reputation on FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy001 View Post
I can't argue the rest of your post, as I've never towed a light-duty 5th wheel. But this part is untrue; there is absolutely no mechanism to transfer weight off the front axle by simply increasing lift support on the rear. It just can't happen. As a former commercial driver there are a variety of things we did to get our axle weights to where they needed to be, but rear ride height was not one of them.
What I was saying is when the truck goes down in the back you can transfer weight off the front but by raising the back end back up it can be transferred back to the front.

Denny
__________________
Moderator 6.2 & V10 Forum
2013 F350 Lariat SC DRW 2WD 6.2 4.30 Gears Air Lifts 50 Aux tank
2003 HH Premier 35 FKTG
Retired 2000 F350 Lariat SC DRW V10 4.30 Gears BrakeSmart
Air Lifts 4X2
http://www.ford-trucks.com/guidelines.html
Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2013, 10:48 PM
 
 
 
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
off topic Ultimate Blonde Joke 48fordcoe 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 18 12-31-2008 08:24 PM
Not Just Blond Jokes... Dealford Ontario Chapter 151 08-03-2008 12:52 AM
Sanity check - 07 F250 SD 4WD towing a 28' car hauler mitchntx Towing, Trailers & 5th Wheels 3 01-11-2007 07:43 PM
1998 expedition rear spring question wojowojo16 Expedition & Navigator 9 01-04-2007 11:40 PM
Rear End Sag chilibill 1997 - 2003 F150 5 02-24-2004 10:09 PM


Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Super Duty/Heavy Duty > Super Duty & Heavy Duty

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:36 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup