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Old 04-23-2013, 07:46 AM
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Totally new suspension

I just found this video on youtube in my recommended videos. This seems like a very cool idea and would be simple to add to many cars.

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i guess ts not totally new. Its kind of a more sophisticated version of a gocart suspension.
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Didnt Mercedes do a hydraulic suspension decades ago? I know they were the originators of fuel injection in the 50's. For some reason this just screams old Mercedes tech.
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That was Citroen that had hydraulic suspension.
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I knew I had read somewhere about it. Thank God for people older and wiser than me!
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Ross is right, Citroen did it first but Mercedes did use it in the early 60s on the 600 Grosser which had hydraulic everything.
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Was the suspension on the spindle the same though?
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No, the Citroen at least used a hydropneumatic bulb that acted on the upper A-arm, more or less.
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Ok i see. I wonder if this could be adapted to an original solid front axle to get the real look of a solid axle but the ride of an ifs.
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Very cool setup...looks to me to be more like the old Chevy knee-action setup than some of the others. Solid mounted axle with suspended spindles at the wheels.
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Interesting concept, but not an improvement IMHO. There is no provision for camber gain with roll or antidive with braking.
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To understand antidive look at the upper control arm. The pivot is angled upward toward the front. Someone recent said their MII front was installed backwards and the upper control arm sloped downward (really bad). Anyway, when braking there is a horizontal force acting in the forward direction on the upper ball joint and the upper control arm geometry turns this force into a downward force at the ball joint. The downward or antidive force is proportional to the braking force. Pretty cool. But how effective is this? I don't think McPherson struts have the same effect but most cars nowdays use that type front suspension.
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Easier explanation: brake dive is when the front brakes are applied the resistance on the wheel rotation makes the front end want to tuck under,
similar to what happens when you apply only the front brake on a motorcycle. Anti-dive is geometry built in that resists that force.
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