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Old 04-04-2013, 08:14 PM
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Three speed help

Hey everyone, I'm new here and have a few questions about a three speed transmission I'm rebuilding for a buddy. The transmission is in a 1964 f100 223 SWB but it isn't the original.

Upon tear down I found the cluster gear, reverse idler, sliding gear all have chips in them so I figured we might as well replace all the gears and do a complete overhaul.

So far this is what I have found to be in the transmission:

Cluster gear: C2AZ-7113-A teeth count 27/23/17/14
Counter shaft: C0AR-7111-A
Reverse idler gear shaft B-7140-A
Main shaft: B5C-7061-A
Main shaft bearing: 51A-7065-A
Input shaft bearing: 8A-7025-A
Main drive gear: B6C-7017-B tooth count 16. Ten spline 1-3/8
Intermediate gear: C1AZ-7102-A tooth count 22
Reverse idler gear:??? Tooth count 17
Low reverse sliding gear:??? Tooth count 28
Synchro sleeve:???

I am hoping someone might be able to fill in the blanks and point me in the right direction for NOS parts. Thanks in advance for all the help.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:03 PM
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I don't know nothin from nothin when it comes to transmissions. Actually, when it comes to most things. In awhile, some others will see the thread and chime in, but meanwhile they are going to want some more specific info about that particular tranny, maybe casting numbers, etc., before guessing at its' internals.

Bill, a.k.a NumberDummy will eventually happen upon this thread, and most likely can provide Fords latest part numbers once the tranny is identified, and perhaps even where to source the parts. Be kind to that sometimes grumpy old soul, he can be your best friend.I think he may have a bad case of gout in his toe.LOL!

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Old 04-04-2013, 09:12 PM
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I don't know nothin from nothin when it comes to transmissions. Actually, when it comes to most things. In awhile, some others will see the thread and chime in, but meanwhile they are going to want some more specific info about that particular tranny, maybe casting numbers, etc., before guessing at its' internals.

Bill, a.k.a NumberDummy will eventually happen upon this thread, and most likely can provide Fords latest part numbers once the tranny is identified, and perhaps even where to source the parts. Be kind to that sometimes grumpy old soul, he can be your best friend.I think he may have a bad case of gout in his toe.LOL!

Good luck,

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Thanks Steve for the pointers

Casting number on the trans case: AF-7006-D 22. 1M26 DIF
Nine bolt side plate: AB-7222-B
Extension housing: TAAA-7049
Input bearing retainer: TAAA-7050-B
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:06 PM
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So far this is what I have found to go into the transmission:

Cluster gear: C2AZ-7113-A teeth count 27/23/17/14
Counter shaft: C0AR-7111-A
Reverse idler gear shaft B-7140-A
Main shaft: B5C-7061-A
Main shaft bearing: 51A-7065-A
Input shaft bearing: 8A-7025-A
Main drive gear: B6C-7017-B tooth count 16. Ten spline 1-3/8
Intermediate gear: C1AZ-7102-A tooth count 22
Reverse idler gear:C0AR-7141-C Tooth count 17
Low reverse sliding gear:C0TR-7100-A Tooth count 28
Synchro sleeve: 377884-S(QQ67D)

I am hoping someone might be able to fill in the blanks and point me in the right direction for NOS parts. Thanks in advance for all the help.
I am not entirely sure about the synchro sleeve but the rest should be right. Dennis Carpenter has some NOS parts listed for 3 speeds might want to give them a call.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:18 PM
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I am not entirely sure about the synchro sleeve but the rest should be right. Dennis Carpenter has some NOS parts listed for 3 speeds might want to give them a call.
Thanks

The group number for the synchro sleeve is 7106 but I need the designation.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:31 PM
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Hmm that group number matches the part number for a warner three speed but the rest of your part numbers match the ford three speed... hmm

B5A 7106-A
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:59 PM
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Hmm that group number matches the part number for a warner three speed but the rest of your part numbers match the ford three speed... hmm

B5A 7106-A
I know right...

This is exactly why I need to verify everything. I went down this road when this project first started. I ended up buying a cluster gear(B4A-7113-A), reverse idler (1A-7141-A), second gear(1A-7102-A), and low reverse slider(1A-7100-A). All of which don't fit lol. Take in consideration these are all NOS parts

After some discussion with Mac VP he said the second gear will work but upon my inspection the older 51-54 gear has a bushing and the one out of the transmission doesn't. Also the second gear that came out of the transmission has oil slots on both ends which the 1A-7102-A doesn't.

Mac has all the parts I need but they are NORS and my buddy is being a stickler for original ford parts.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:07 PM
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I can't find any of those part numbers in my book for anything. Do you know what tranny it is? I can give you all of the part numbers for a specific tranny. I have been assuming that you have a ford 3 speed because that is what the part numbers seemed to match up with that you originally gave me.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:13 PM
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I believe it to be a mid 50's to early 60's light duty ford three speed. The numbers in the first post is what I have found in the transmission and verified with numerous hours of research
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There are no parts listed as a synchronizer sleeve for the ford 3 speed. Anything else I can search the book for? What was the tranny attached to?
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:24 PM
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Group 7106 is listed as Sleeve (Trans. Intermediate & high clutch). This is info I gathered in a '56 truck chassis parts and accessories - transmission and clutch

Part number is listed 01A-7106
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Hmm maybe I am of no use to you then haha. That part is not in the 57-63 book.

SLEEVE - intermediate and high clutch-
30 teeth-3.384" flange O.D. -1 1/4" o/all length-
supplied in B5A 7124-B synchronizer

part number B5A 7106-A listed under the warner three speed pages.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:35 PM
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On the contrary you are being an enormous help. And the catalog you have will help me find out if the numbers have been updated.
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the whole synchro assy is listed under C2TZ 7124-A for the ford 3 speed. Maybe that would help?
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the whole synchro assy is listed under C2TZ 7124-A for the ford 3 speed. Maybe that would help?
I'm going to do some research on this number... THANKS
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