Spartan tunes question - 310+ hp tune
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#18
After reading this thread i changed from the 250 tune i was running and loaded up the 310 and i love it so far the boost is lower than the 275 i ran previously. I stopped running the 275 and was running the 250 because on the 275 my truck would lope at an idle and to daily drive the pedal was way to touchy. Not to mention boost out hind end if you got in the throttle at all.
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#20
After reading this thread i changed from the 250 tune i was running and loaded up the 310 and i love it so far the boost is lower than the 275 i ran previously. I stopped running the 275 and was running the 250 because on the 275 my truck would lope at an idle and to daily drive the pedal was way to touchy. Not to mention boost out hind end if you got in the throttle at all.
I thought at first that that giant boost "hump" was just cause the turbochargers couldn't use the EGR system to wastegate, but the tuning doesn't even try to stop building boost, maybe they just couldn't hack the turbocharger tuning, and just left it as is.
I'm now pretty confident that the power doesn't blow 6.4 head gaskets, the tuning does.
#21
Well back to give my report and impression. I gave the 310 tune a go for about 300 miles and then tuned back to the 275. Not sure what you guys are seeing but when I got on it my boost #'s were just as high as the 275. I typically see 40-45PSI on the 275 when I lay into it and I saw the exact same #'s with the 310. The only difference is that I have never gotten an Exhaust gas temp warning with the 275 and I got it both times I laid into it with the 310, that scared me a bit. I'm **** about my truck and monitor everything and I also noted that the 310 was running a couple extra PSI of boost going down the highway with the cruise set at my usual speeds. I'm totally aware that small of a change could simply be due to a head wind or other variables, it's just an observation I made. I also noted the pedal was even more sensitive than the 275. So it looks like I'm back to the 275 for now.
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#23
Well back to give my report and impression. I gave the 310 tune a go for about 300 miles and then tuned back to the 275. Not sure what you guys are seeing but when I got on it my boost #'s were just as high as the 275. I typically see 40-45PSI on the 275 when I lay into it and I saw the exact same #'s with the 310. The only difference is that I have never gotten an Exhaust gas temp warning with the 275 and I got it both times I laid into it with the 310, that scared me a bit. I'm **** about my truck and monitor everything and I also noted that the 310 was running a couple extra PSI of boost going down the highway with the cruise set at my usual speeds. I'm totally aware that small of a change could simply be due to a head wind or other variables, it's just an observation I made. I also noted the pedal was even more sensitive than the 275. So it looks like I'm back to the 275 for now.
Props to you for bringing the information back to us
I am really surprised you saw higher boost on the highway with the 310 than the 275, I observed the complete opposite.
#24
I haven't been able to get the 310 tune to go over 40 PSI yet, but I'm sure it would rolling into the throttle.
What a stupid glitch.
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#26
Pushing coolant out of the overflow bottle. Usually, its a good indicator you have a head gasket issue.
#27
Puking could be from a number of issues including head gaskets.
The reason I am concerned about the boost being too high, is that if I instantly put the throttle about half way to the floor, it will hit about 25 lbs of boost and run great, but if you slowly roll into the throttle it will build boost ridiculously fast.
There are some tunes and some spots in the throttle that I swear pushing 10 % harder the boost just rockets from left to right and keeps going.
The reason I am concerned about the boost being too high, is that if I instantly put the throttle about half way to the floor, it will hit about 25 lbs of boost and run great, but if you slowly roll into the throttle it will build boost ridiculously fast.
There are some tunes and some spots in the throttle that I swear pushing 10 % harder the boost just rockets from left to right and keeps going.
#28
Puking could be from a number of issues including head gaskets.
The reason I am concerned about the boost being too high, is that if I instantly put the throttle about half way to the floor, it will hit about 25 lbs of boost and run great, but if you slowly roll into the throttle it will build boost ridiculously fast.
There are some tunes and some spots in the throttle that I swear pushing 10 % harder the boost just rockets from left to right and keeps going.
The reason I am concerned about the boost being too high, is that if I instantly put the throttle about half way to the floor, it will hit about 25 lbs of boost and run great, but if you slowly roll into the throttle it will build boost ridiculously fast.
There are some tunes and some spots in the throttle that I swear pushing 10 % harder the boost just rockets from left to right and keeps going.
Does it down shift when you "instantly put the throttle halfway to the floor"?
I run the 210 tow all the time and one thing I have never seen is higher boost equaling lower egts. Quite the opposite. Boost goes up, temp goes up, boost goes down, temp goes down. To me this just makes sense. More boost equals more fuel/air running through the system and at higher pressures. All of that equals heat.
For the most part when you demand power from the engine you get it first from boost pressure, which climbs along with the temp until rpm starts coming up. As rpm comes up, boost goes down, as does the temp. If you've got a load on like towing a trailer you eventually hit that sweet spot where rpm/boost levels out and remains relatively constant, along with the temp.
The best example of this is hauling a load with the cruise on, on flat level terrain. Boost/rpm/temp is constant till you hit a hill. Once the load increases the boost starts coming on and the egts start to climb as well. It will continue to do so until it hits it's sweet spot where it maintains the set speed under the new load conditions. The only time this will change is if the load increases to the point it needs to downshift to maintain the set speed. If it does the rpm naturally jumps, but the boost pressure will come down along with the temp.
Of course extremes can shoot this all to heck and back, like towing 17K up a 13% grade. Here you're running high rpm and boost out the wahzoo anyway, so temps still go up.
I'm not a huge fan of tune swapping, but I might give the 310 a try just for giggles before camping season gets into swing. Curiosity is getting the better of me.
#29
Does it down shift when you "instantly put the throttle halfway to the floor"?
No, not hard enough to make it down shift. If you kinda punch the throttle a certain quick way, it goes straight to about 30 PSI and stays there. If you apply throttle slower, the boost just hits 50 or 60 or whatever.
I run the 210 tow all the time and one thing I have never seen is higher boost equaling lower egts. Quite the opposite. Boost goes up, temp goes up, boost goes down, temp goes down. To me this just makes sense. More boost equals more fuel/air running through the system and at higher pressures. All of that equals heat.
Fair enough, but with a VVT or similar system, funny things can happen too. Old school engines were more predictable.
For the most part when you demand power from the engine you get it first from boost pressure, which climbs along with the temp until rpm starts coming up. As rpm comes up, boost goes down, as does the temp. If you've got a load on like towing a trailer you eventually hit that sweet spot where rpm/boost levels out and remains relatively constant, along with the temp.
The best example of this is hauling a load with the cruise on, on flat level terrain. Boost/rpm/temp is constant till you hit a hill. Once the load increases the boost starts coming on and the egts start to climb as well. It will continue to do so until it hits it's sweet spot where it maintains the set speed under the new load conditions. The only time this will change is if the load increases to the point it needs to downshift to maintain the set speed. If it does the rpm naturally jumps, but the boost pressure will come down along with the temp.
Right, I get that part, but there is no reason in hell that the 6.4 should need 20 lbs of boost driving on flat ground pulling a trailer, when my old 7.3 could do it with 5-10 tops. The 6.4 is comparable, but only with the 310 tune.
Of course extremes can shoot this all to heck and back, like towing 17K up a 13% grade. Here you're running high rpm and boost out the wahzoo anyway, so temps still go up.
Sure, understandable. But then again, the 6.7 doesn't run more than 30 lbs of boost, and makes 400 HP.
I'm not a huge fan of tune swapping, but I might give the 310 a try just for giggles before camping season gets into swing. Curiosity is getting the better of me.
No, not hard enough to make it down shift. If you kinda punch the throttle a certain quick way, it goes straight to about 30 PSI and stays there. If you apply throttle slower, the boost just hits 50 or 60 or whatever.
I run the 210 tow all the time and one thing I have never seen is higher boost equaling lower egts. Quite the opposite. Boost goes up, temp goes up, boost goes down, temp goes down. To me this just makes sense. More boost equals more fuel/air running through the system and at higher pressures. All of that equals heat.
Fair enough, but with a VVT or similar system, funny things can happen too. Old school engines were more predictable.
For the most part when you demand power from the engine you get it first from boost pressure, which climbs along with the temp until rpm starts coming up. As rpm comes up, boost goes down, as does the temp. If you've got a load on like towing a trailer you eventually hit that sweet spot where rpm/boost levels out and remains relatively constant, along with the temp.
The best example of this is hauling a load with the cruise on, on flat level terrain. Boost/rpm/temp is constant till you hit a hill. Once the load increases the boost starts coming on and the egts start to climb as well. It will continue to do so until it hits it's sweet spot where it maintains the set speed under the new load conditions. The only time this will change is if the load increases to the point it needs to downshift to maintain the set speed. If it does the rpm naturally jumps, but the boost pressure will come down along with the temp.
Right, I get that part, but there is no reason in hell that the 6.4 should need 20 lbs of boost driving on flat ground pulling a trailer, when my old 7.3 could do it with 5-10 tops. The 6.4 is comparable, but only with the 310 tune.
Of course extremes can shoot this all to heck and back, like towing 17K up a 13% grade. Here you're running high rpm and boost out the wahzoo anyway, so temps still go up.
Sure, understandable. But then again, the 6.7 doesn't run more than 30 lbs of boost, and makes 400 HP.
I'm not a huge fan of tune swapping, but I might give the 310 a try just for giggles before camping season gets into swing. Curiosity is getting the better of me.
#30
For whatever reason mine has never taken that long. Usually about 15, maybe 20 minutes.
Mine is an '08 6.4 and it would run 8-10 psi boost running down the highway unloaded bone stock. The 6.4 apparently is just set up to run more boost. Every one I've driven has been that way. The 6.0 I have at the shop almost never exceeds 25 psi and that's with a 17K load on it. I can peg my factory gauge with that kind of load if I try.....and not too hard.
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