looking at swapingmy 460 to a (351w) have motor trans an transfer case for 351 wondering if any one knew what would need swaped out. any info would help

 

Please stick to one thread with the same question: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...1987-f350.html

Are both transmissions the same? Is the original engine fuel injected or carburated? Same for the donor 351?

 

welcome to FTE.
you will need engine, trans, transfer case, and mounts.
since the 87 460 came with a carburetor, you will need to use a carb on the 351, or put a computer in it if you want to use fuel injection.

 

the 460 is efi the 351 has a carb witch i want the carbs instead of efi. and my truck has front and rear motor plates on it will they bolt up to the 351 or do i need differnt ones or would it be ok with out them since it wont have such a big motor and will my drive shafts be close to the right length

 

If it's an EFI 460 it is not an '87.
'88 was the first year, even though the heads may say E7, that is an engineering number.
They were not implemented until the '88 model year.

 

The date on the spec tag on the door jam says 87 but I ran the vin today and it came up as a 88 it was made in the UN of 87 so it came out in 88 with the upgrades for that year. The donor motor is coming out of a 86 bronco I have the motor mounts for the 351 but im trying to figure out if the motor plates will bolt up or if I need difernt ones and what other major stuff needs changed if the gauges will work or if need difernt ones stuff Like that

 

The door jamb sticker will say it meets the emissions requirements for the 1988 model year.
I don't know what you mean "motor plates".
If you mean the perches on the front crossmember, the engine perches on my 460 are labeled as such and have two slots vs the windsor's one.

 

there are plates on the front of the motor that bolt from the motor to the frame rails and one on the back the goes between the trans and motor that also bolt to the frame rails these are called motor plates i know this as i haved worked on drag cars my whole life and so far you have told me nothing but what i know and thatis my motor is fuel injected if you cant give me more info then my telling me what year my truck is then please dont waste my time and just say you dont know.

 

So, you have motor plates for a 460 in your truck and you're wondering if they will bolt to a Windsor block?
Not a chance.
If this was a pulling truck or something, IDK but for sure it's going to be unique and specific to that application.
You're the one who "has worked on drag cars my whole life", but you don't know the bell and front dress bolt patterns of two combos you have side by side?
You don't say a damn thing about what transmission you have with each so I'm not sure what the question is.

FWIW, All Ford transfer cases use the same adapter bolt pattern for this era.

 

Everything I worked on was Chevy im new to ford I ksame now on Chevy every big block was the same bolt pattern didnt matter what Trans orcar you had if it had a Bbc you could drop a differnt Bbc and everything worked same for small blockk apps someone toldme some ford motor where interchangeble with with bbf and smf witch would meen a ford small block would bolt up to ford big block Trans thats my question and what wiring needs changed .an my damn Trans on my big block is e4od .and idk my damn Trans on 351

 

the 460 trans will not bolt to the 351.
and the F-350 used motor 2mounts on the block, and 1 trans mount. not block plates.
if it has plates on it, it was frankenstien built by someone

 

I know I was scratching my head when you mentioned "plates" before. Ford never used an arrangement such as you described from the factory. Now that I, and probably others, know what setup this truck has it will be easier for us and less frustrating for you to figure out the details of your proposed swap.

The bellhousing bolt patterns are different between your 460 and 351W. Unless you want to start drilling those plates you will need a different setup.

It has been a few years, but from what I recall (without doing a search) the 351M/400 (335 series?) used the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 429/460 (385 series).

The transmission on your 351W from a 1986 Bronco is probably a 3-speed C6. A very stout transmission that is mechanical/vacuum controlled. The overall lengths between the E4OD and C6 are different, my sources show 20" for the C6 and ~37" for the E4OD. This is probably measured with the tailshaft in place. Not sure what the 4x4 versions are, but I suspect the driveshaft lengths may need to be modified as well.

 

So forget what you know about Chevrolets as none of that applies to Ford. Chevrolet has been blessed with one basic bell housing bolt pattern since 1955... (for Chevrolet engines, B-O-P engines of course different) 4 cyl, straight six, V6, small block, big block all the same. BUT not so Ford.

My suggestion is to take a minute and read the great advise so far. The answers have been given as best as possible with the information you have provided.

Secondly I would suggest you take a 1/2 hour or so and do some searches, there is a incredible amount of information to be had here on FTE.

AND YES, it was very important to figure out what "model" year your truck is for the ancilary components. You should take a minute and THANK the poster who helped you figure out not the build year of your truck, but the MODEL year!

Regards, David

 

Frame perches for front engine mounts are different for 4.9 six, 5.0 and 5.8 the same, and the 460 also different, so you'll need these, as well as the mounts themselves. Transfer case and rear mounts the same (may be different model transfer cases, but interchangeable), trans different, and you'll have to use an adjustable fuel pressure regulator with return for the carb, as well as do alot of wiring work. Should be plenty of threads on here about that.