Wiring ?
#16
I have a 1985 F150 w/5.0 MPFI and am having wiring problems, specifically a ground problem.
1) Where to locate an accurate wiring diagram. Mitchell's and All-Data are a no go. All-Data is hard to navigate and primitive. Mitchchell's diagram for 85 F150 5.0 has several wrong color codes on diagnostic connection and EEC. Ex: #1 wire to EEC is actually yellow not violet (per Mitchell's). None of the wire color codes on diagnostic connector (per Mitchell's) match my vehicle. Mitchell's wiring diagram for 86 F150 comes closer, but still not dead on.
2) Mitchell's has no table listing physical ground locations. These things can be located anywhere. Anyone know where they are?
I've found ground wire to body at L.H. headlamp, ground lead from battery neg. to wiring harness, and battery to engine ground (at battery neg. terminal)
Where does battery neg. lead that goes into wiring harness go? Is there a common ground for EEC and if so where?
Getting really frustrated. Next step is taking the truck apart.
1) Where to locate an accurate wiring diagram. Mitchell's and All-Data are a no go. All-Data is hard to navigate and primitive. Mitchchell's diagram for 85 F150 5.0 has several wrong color codes on diagnostic connection and EEC. Ex: #1 wire to EEC is actually yellow not violet (per Mitchell's). None of the wire color codes on diagnostic connector (per Mitchell's) match my vehicle. Mitchell's wiring diagram for 86 F150 comes closer, but still not dead on.
2) Mitchell's has no table listing physical ground locations. These things can be located anywhere. Anyone know where they are?
I've found ground wire to body at L.H. headlamp, ground lead from battery neg. to wiring harness, and battery to engine ground (at battery neg. terminal)
Where does battery neg. lead that goes into wiring harness go? Is there a common ground for EEC and if so where?
Getting really frustrated. Next step is taking the truck apart.
Here a diagram of the battery grounds from an '86
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2906/ground1s.jpg
location chart:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6159/ground2.jpg
I can put up location pictorial if you need. See reference on location chart.
#17
On wiring diagrams--color code on diagrams don't match my truck. Color codes on the following are incorrect.
1) diagnostic test connector
2) TFI connection
3) Fuel pump relay
Did they use different wiring harnesses for different assembly plants? Can't find wiring diagram that matches. Impossible to trouble-shoot system.
Need info on where grounds are physically located.
1) diagnostic test connector
2) TFI connection
3) Fuel pump relay
Did they use different wiring harnesses for different assembly plants? Can't find wiring diagram that matches. Impossible to trouble-shoot system.
Need info on where grounds are physically located.
Tan looks white etc.
#18
Some examples of what I mean:
1) #1 wire to EEC is listed as violet, on my truck it is yellow.
2) One wire to diagnostic test connector is listed as dark green/yellow. Actual colors are black w/white stripe, gray/red, tan/red, and solid gray.
3) EEC power relay: on diagram--white, black/lt green,red, yellow. Actual: yellow, yellow/green dash, blue, black/yellow stripe.
4) TFI connection: diagram--white/lt blue, black, yellow/lt green, dark blue, dark green/yellow. Actual--blue, yellow/green dot, red/bllue, yellow/green dash, lt green, black.
These are 4 examples of differences. Just can't be because of fading or color change. I'm convinced that they made different wiring harnesses or the wiring diagram I have is in error.
#19
These diagrams ('86) seem to match some but not all of what you have:
EEC including EEC relay, Test connector and TFI:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6185/8650eecp1.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5610/8650eecp2.jpg
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7408/8650eecp3.jpg
Note that my manual ('86) states that generally Ford uses only solid or solid with stripe wire colors. They don't use dashes or dots except in extreme cases where the OEM sub assembly harness maker has requested a deviation. They sorta implied that Ford once did use 'hashed' schemes but did not say when it was discontinued.
In tinkering around in my truck I haven't noticed any dashed wire color except for some wires embedded in the horn bar assembly.
EEC including EEC relay, Test connector and TFI:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6185/8650eecp1.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5610/8650eecp2.jpg
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7408/8650eecp3.jpg
Note that my manual ('86) states that generally Ford uses only solid or solid with stripe wire colors. They don't use dashes or dots except in extreme cases where the OEM sub assembly harness maker has requested a deviation. They sorta implied that Ford once did use 'hashed' schemes but did not say when it was discontinued.
In tinkering around in my truck I haven't noticed any dashed wire color except for some wires embedded in the horn bar assembly.
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Appreciate your input but differences in color on the chart can't be due to fading. On wire colors I realize that tan can fade to white or gray to white.
Some examples of what I mean:
1) #1 wire to EEC is listed as violet, on my truck it is yellow.
2) One wire to diagnostic test connector is listed as dark green/yellow. Actual colors are black w/white stripe, gray/red, tan/red, and solid gray.
3) EEC power relay: on diagram--white, black/lt green,red, yellow. Actual: yellow, yellow/green dash, blue, black/yellow stripe.
4) TFI connection: diagram--white/lt blue, black, yellow/lt green, dark blue, dark green/yellow. Actual--blue, yellow/green dot, red/bllue, yellow/green dash, lt green, black.
These are 4 examples of differences. Just can't be because of fading or color change. I'm convinced that they made different wiring harnesses or the wiring diagram I have is in error.
Some examples of what I mean:
1) #1 wire to EEC is listed as violet, on my truck it is yellow.
2) One wire to diagnostic test connector is listed as dark green/yellow. Actual colors are black w/white stripe, gray/red, tan/red, and solid gray.
3) EEC power relay: on diagram--white, black/lt green,red, yellow. Actual: yellow, yellow/green dash, blue, black/yellow stripe.
4) TFI connection: diagram--white/lt blue, black, yellow/lt green, dark blue, dark green/yellow. Actual--blue, yellow/green dot, red/bllue, yellow/green dash, lt green, black.
These are 4 examples of differences. Just can't be because of fading or color change. I'm convinced that they made different wiring harnesses or the wiring diagram I have is in error.
1) #1 Power feed wire to EEC is YELLOW in my diagram. Circut #37.
2) Diagnostic Connector: On my Diagram. Large Connector: Black/white stripe, Tan/Red, Tan/Light Green Small one wire Connector: White/Red
3) EEC Power Relay: My diagram: Yellow, Dark Blue, White/Light Blue, Black/Light Green
4) TFI IV: Dark Blue, Yellow/Lt. Green dot, Red/Lt Blue, Dark Green/Yellow, White/Light Blue, Black
There is some slight deviation, but it seems to be the closest.
Originally Posted by klricks
These diagrams ('86) seem to match some but not all of what you have:
EEC including EEC relay, Test connector and TFI:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6185/8650eecp1.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5610/8650eecp2.jpg
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7408/8650eecp3.jpg
EEC including EEC relay, Test connector and TFI:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6185/8650eecp1.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5610/8650eecp2.jpg
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7408/8650eecp3.jpg
I checked the diagram for the 1987 just for fun, and there are some wiring color differences even to the two we posted.
Note that my manual ('86) states that generally Ford uses only solid or solid with stripe wire colors. They don't use dashes or dots except in extreme cases where the OEM sub assembly harness maker has requested a deviation. They sorta implied that Ford once did use 'hashed' schemes but did not say when it was discontinued.
In tinkering around in my truck I haven't noticed any dashed wire color except for some wires embedded in the horn bar assembly.
In tinkering around in my truck I haven't noticed any dashed wire color except for some wires embedded in the horn bar assembly.
Hutch, what is the production date of your truck? And what is the DSO code? Both can be found on the safety certification lable on the drivers door "B" pillar.
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Have you looked at my diagrams in post # 5? These are actual Ford Diagrams for a 1985, not aftermarket.
1) #1 Power feed wire to EEC is YELLOW in my diagram. Circut #37.
2) Diagnostic Connector: On my Diagram. Large Connector: Black/white stripe, Tan/Red, Tan/Light Green Small one wire Connector: White/Red
3) EEC Power Relay: My diagram: Yellow, Dark Blue, White/Light Blue, Black/Light Green
4) TFI IV: Dark Blue, Yellow/Lt. Green dot, Red/Lt Blue, Dark Green/Yellow, White/Light Blue, Black
There is some slight deviation, but it seems to be the closest.
I also have that diagram, it almost exactly matches the 1985 diagram I posted. Ford started changing their diagrams in 1986 to a more user friendly version. Other than that I see no differences between them.
I checked the diagram for the 1987 just for fun, and there are some wiring color differences even to the two we posted.
It never was discontinued persay. They just reserve Dots or hashes for dead last when absolutely nessecery to use them. This is usually due to all the other color combinations were already used before. Ford has been using the same basic wire color scheme since the 1970s.
Hutch, what is the production date of your truck? And what is the DSO code? Both can be found on the safety certification lable on the drivers door "B" pillar.
1) #1 Power feed wire to EEC is YELLOW in my diagram. Circut #37.
2) Diagnostic Connector: On my Diagram. Large Connector: Black/white stripe, Tan/Red, Tan/Light Green Small one wire Connector: White/Red
3) EEC Power Relay: My diagram: Yellow, Dark Blue, White/Light Blue, Black/Light Green
4) TFI IV: Dark Blue, Yellow/Lt. Green dot, Red/Lt Blue, Dark Green/Yellow, White/Light Blue, Black
There is some slight deviation, but it seems to be the closest.
I also have that diagram, it almost exactly matches the 1985 diagram I posted. Ford started changing their diagrams in 1986 to a more user friendly version. Other than that I see no differences between them.
I checked the diagram for the 1987 just for fun, and there are some wiring color differences even to the two we posted.
It never was discontinued persay. They just reserve Dots or hashes for dead last when absolutely nessecery to use them. This is usually due to all the other color combinations were already used before. Ford has been using the same basic wire color scheme since the 1970s.
Hutch, what is the production date of your truck? And what is the DSO code? Both can be found on the safety certification lable on the drivers door "B" pillar.
Production date is 8-85, and the DSO code is 52
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8-85? That most likely makes this truck a 1986 model, or an extremely late 1985. The new year model production began in August.
The DSO code states it was sold to the Dallas Sales District. So It's a USA model.
I'll look through my 1986 diagrams and see if there are anything closer to what you need. Might take me untill tomorrow though.
The DSO code states it was sold to the Dallas Sales District. So It's a USA model.
I'll look through my 1986 diagrams and see if there are anything closer to what you need. Might take me untill tomorrow though.
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I also have that diagram, it almost exactly matches the 1985 diagram I posted. Ford started changing their diagrams in 1986 to a more user friendly version. Other than that I see no differences between them.
I checked the diagram for the 1987 just for fun, and there are some wiring color differences even to the two we posted.
It never was discontinued persay. They just reserve Dots or hashes for dead last when absolutely nessecery to use them. This is usually due to all the other color combinations were already used before. Ford has been using the same basic wire color scheme since the 1970s.
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I also have that diagram, it almost exactly matches the 1985 diagram I posted. Ford started changing their diagrams in 1986 to a more user friendly version. Other than that I see no differences between them.
I checked the diagram for the 1987 just for fun, and there are some wiring color differences even to the two we posted.
It never was discontinued persay. They just reserve Dots or hashes for dead last when absolutely nessecery to use them. This is usually due to all the other color combinations were already used before. Ford has been using the same basic wire color scheme since the 1970s.
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Wiring?
FWIW, Some of the wire color usage goes clear back to the 50s. I have the entire EFI diagrams from the 86 EVTM, unfortunately it is too large a file to upload. Go to my website and on the left side you will see "downloads" from there it will take you to a list, under Ford you will see "86_5.0L_EFI". get it from there.
Last edited by 85lebaront2; 10-01-2012 at 10:23 AM. Reason: corrected information.
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