I have Baby Swamps and a TS 6 position chip, 3 inch down pipe, 4 inch exhaust and a big paper 4 inch id 8 inch od cold air filter.

I pull a 24 ft enclosed trailer and it pulls it great, I had it on the dyno and it made 300 hp and 717 tq.

Just kind off kicking the idea around about stage two's and a 366 turbo.

I have a 99 inter cooler and all the plumbing traded for.

Just wondering about towing with the added power. I have seen 400 to 450 hp made with the right combo.

I usually tow at 75-80 mph and it runs about 2-4 lbs of boost on the flat. And gets about 11 mpg 5 speed and 3.55 gears.

Its a 97 F-250 4 door ZF 5 speed short bed 4x4 .

I am a hp junkie and would like to have over 400 hp and 800 tq but I wont do it if my towing suffers.

Just like to hear some opinions from people that have done this combination.

Thanks guys...............

 

Check out this thread and there are a few other threads talking about the same thing you are. Welcome to FTE!

 

If you tow heavy, I'd go with stage 1's over stage 2's. The 2's will generate more HP, but also more heat. You'll have a difficult time keeping your temps down towing heavy with stage 2's. Elevation & mountain driving make the heat issue worse...

 

Welcome indeed!

Personally I would think that stage 2's (not hybrid 2s) with the bigger nozzle size so they can shoot fuel FAST would make towing better.

If you went with hybrids...they can still put out top end fuel amounts like normal stage 2s, but Travis or Jim or somebody posted up a fueling map to show how hybrids dont spray as much as fast at cruising speeds.
Like 180/80s or something shoot fuel faster from the get go than 180/30s (or whatever hybrids are)... They both will shoot 180cc of fuel, but the ones with larger nozzles can get it out faster so for towing you have a wider power band.

And with more hp and faster fueling I would think would make towing easier. of course you will have an increase of EGT having more fueling going on, but more hp should make it easier on your truck...i would imagine you should be fine.

But IDK ask Glenn.. lol hes the heat king.

 

I was just learning from your post Alex!

It has been suggested 180/80's or 180/100's to me but I'm still trying to figure it out.

 

Haha You were only learning from it cuz you cant remember it yourself! Im sure you read the thread.

Wish I was on my home comp id have the link handy..

It was brought up by a guy asking about "Towing injectors"

After some discussion Travis and/or Jim chimed in with flow charts and schooled us all on injectors and power bands.



I want bigger injectors... and turbo...and intercooler...and e-fuel... and then nothing under my truck to break after that. or rust.. lol
I dont ask for much.

 

I have stage ones in mine now with the egt prob in the down pipe just outside the turbo outlet. It never gets over 1200 wide open on a long grade at 20 lb of boost with no inter cooler.

It is cleaning all the smoke up after 20 lbs of boost in the # 6 setting. Just a light grey haze.

My enclosed trailer is probably 6000 lb and low.

I was hoping with an inter cooler and a good tune the stage two's might work towing. I guess you could always slow up a bit and drop it out overdrive.

I will do some more reading. This truck runs so much better with the Baby's and the chip it's unblievable. If it makes as big a step as the first mod did going to stage two's it will be killer.

Thanks for the responses.

 

With the downpipe placement of your probe it has been estimated that you are are actually like 1400-1600*. The best placement of the probe is the drivers side manifold. I run mine in the same as yours and don't go over 1000*

 

Put that EGT probe in the manifold and I bet you will see over 1200. I will see if I can find the pictures that we took showing the difference between the two locations.

As far as towing with stage 2's and an S366 goes, it's a great combination. You should be able to tow with little to no heat issues. With stage 2's and my S466, I can get EGTs up to 1400 if I really want to in my hottest tune, but in a tow tune or even my street race tune I can tow all day and keep temps down and never pull it out of overdrive with a 5 speed and 3.55 gears. It might be a different story if I was towing at high elevation, but I'm not.

There are lots of guys out there towing with the combination your asking about with no problems.

 

Thanks that is what I was wanting to hear. I have everything inter cooler wise off of a 99 power stroke to put over on my truck. Manifolds, pedestal, all plumbing, up pipes, core, ect.

Just wondering how much it will help egt's and hp.

This thing pulls my trailer effortlessly I don't think I will have an egt problem listening to what you have said.

I guess I will have to re-tune my six position chip?

Thanks again

 

Yes, you will have to re-tune the chip.

Before I did anything, I would move that EGT probe to the manifold and see what your actual EGTs are right now. I bet you will find that you've run your truck over 1200* several times.

 

What your trying to say is that smaller hybrids(they are 238+cc BTW) normally flow less fuel than A codes during low ICP conditions, but in high ICP conditions hybrids will flow more fuel, faster. So, during low ICP conditions such as cruising, A codes will normally flow a little bit more fuel. The reason is because hybrids have a lower hydraulic ratio than A codes. I still wouldn't hesitate to run hybrids in a tow rig though. A lot of times when your pulling 20k and climbing Mt. Everest like Glenn does, your in high ICP conditions and the hybrids will give you more.

 

Your a funny Man Travis!! So, what size injectors do you recommend for me when I get the s366 in. At the time of install my injectors go to JR.

 

That really depends on how far your willing to go. Once you get up to this level, you really need to look into doing head studs and valve springs b/c with stage 2's and even the S366 your kinda riding a fine line. You could get by at this level through tuning b/c cylinder pressure is ultimately what kills the gaskets. Don't get me wrong though, it's always a good idea with a bigger turbo like this to go ahead and do studs and springs if you can. Once you jump to the hybrids and a bigger turbo, you definitely need to do studs, springs, and if your running an S366, you need to have an external wastegate as well.

For you Glenn, I would go to stage 2's with the 366, get some good tuning in it and see how it does. It will be a really responsive combo for you and you shouldn't have much if any EGT issues.

 

Travis when you say stageII's do you mean 160/80 or 180/80 ?