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Old 07-27-2012, 09:11 AM
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C6 torque converter

Pulling the 460 motor in my 58F100... thought I could reach in and unbolt the torque converter from the motors flex plate..which I did, and was expecting to just push it back into the tranny a bit so I could pull motor and leave tranny etc.

But the torque converter won't slide back in.? Don't know much about automatics..What am I doing wrong? Did I miss a fastner..4 i think..and it rocks side to side..seems loose..but doesn't slide back.

Do i have to reach in and lift the torque converter a little? or am I dreaming and it doesn't slide in?
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as far as i can remember from doing it last time, the converter doesn't slide back. you have to pry apart the engine from the tranny and converter to get it to come loose.

when re-installing you have to make very sure that the converter is seated all the way into the pump properly or you will either break the tranny housing or flexplate when tightening up the housing bolts. didn't hapen to me but to a freinds car when he forgot to mount the converter properly.

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as far as i can remember from doing it last time, the converter doesn't slide back. you have to pry apart the engine from the tranny and converter to get it to come loose.

when re-installing you have to make very sure that the converter is seated all the way into the pump properly or you will either break the tranny housing or flexplate when tightening up the housing bolts. didn't hapen to me but to a freinds car when he forgot to mount the converter properly.

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Yes i do recall the importance of the converter being seated properly into the pump..i recall installing the tranny/torque converter into the motor when I assembled the truck..some years back. I assembled them out of the truck and installed motor and tranny as a complete unit. I was thinking I could simply take the motor out without the tranny and reinstall, but now kinda wondering if maybe I should just remove the entire assembly as a unit.

I'm not working on the tranny..just replacing the rings in two damaged cylinders etc..but would likely want to remove the tranny to mount motor on engine stand to make repairs and such.

Am i gonna have trouble reinstalling the motor with the tranny in the truck? I mean can I tell if the torque converter is properly seated into the pump? I suppose I would know..I mean if it weren't properly seated I wouldn't be able to mate the motor to the tranny would I? I'd have to install the bolts and force the motor and tranny together. I'd know if I was doing that I guess. Wouldn't I?
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I'm no trans expert by any means but I have installed a few over the years and there is always some front to back movement like you were expecting to aid in alignment of torque converter and flexplate.What concerns me is the up and down movement you're talking about.A few questions might help clear things up.Have you pulled the trans bolts and tried to separarte the trans.so the converter pulled away from the trans? Assuming all was well with the trans up to this point. And yes only 4 nuts -converter to flexplate. Mark
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I pulled the 352 out of my '66 a couple of years back and that is ahead of a C-6. I don't recall any back and forth movement of the convertor. I just unbolted it from the flex and pulled it out. When I finished with the engine I just dropped it back in there and bolted things back together. No trouble at all. Maybe I was just ignorant of what I should have been worrying about but I don't think so!
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I pulled the 352 out of my '66 a couple of years back and that is ahead of a C-6. I don't recall any back and forth movement of the convertor. I just unbolted it from the flex and pulled it out. When I finished with the engine I just dropped it back in there and bolted things back together. No trouble at all. Maybe I was just ignorant of what I should have been worrying about but I don't think so!
Ya I'm probably being too cautious...but I've learned to never underestimate how i can screw it up I'm experienced
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If you leave the converter attached to the flexplate, the fluid will pour out in a neverending fountain. I prefer to leave the converter on the tranny input shaft, too. The engine has to slide straight forward to clear the aligning dowels anyway, and during that process, I would keep prying the converter away from the flexplate. Likely the threads on one of the studs is grabbing the edge of the hole. Be patient, and don't lift it upward until you have the flexplate clear of the converter.
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If you leave the converter attached to the flexplate, the fluid will pour out in a neverending fountain. I prefer to leave the converter on the tranny input shaft, too. The engine has to slide straight forward to clear the aligning dowels anyway, and during that process, I would keep prying the converter away from the flexplate. Likely the threads on one of the studs is grabbing the edge of the hole. Be patient, and don't lift it upward until you have the flexplate clear of the converter.
Thanks Havi.. I can do that.
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If you leave the converter attached to the flexplate, the fluid will pour out in a neverending fountain. I prefer to leave the converter on the tranny input shaft, too. The engine has to slide straight forward to clear the aligning dowels anyway, and during that process, I would keep prying the converter away from the flexplate. Likely the threads on one of the studs is grabbing the edge of the hole. Be patient, and don't lift it upward until you have the flexplate clear of the converter.
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Thanks for all the advice. Got the motor out no problem.

It doesn't appear that the torque converter moved at all. I took the motor out from the side, and was able to use a pry bar at the back of the motor to ease it forward. I only partially removed the top two tranny/motor bolts such that they possibly helped guide the motor forward and level..about an inch anyway. And after I cleared the torque converter studs, it was standard operating procedure.

Now to put it on the motor stand and make some repairs.

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I pulled the 352 out of my '66 a couple of years back and that is ahead of a C-6.
C6 (17 trans pan bolts) not available until 1968 in F100/350's.

1965/67 F100/350 352's came with MX Cruise-O-Matic (14 trans pan bolts).

CAVEAT EMPTOR: There are two different 460/C6 flexplates and harmonic balancers.

FoMoCo changed the 460 mid-model year 1979, the block casting number thru 1997 is D9TE-6015-AB / This 460 has a weighted spacer.

If the block casting numbers prefix is C8VE/C9VE/D0VE/DIVE .. No weighted spacer. The harmonic balancer and flexplate are specific to these casting numbers.

If you install wrong parts, you'll have a vibration that will eventually tear the center from the flexplate. Not pleasant.
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[quote=NumberDummy;12113928]C6 (17 trans pan bolts) not available until 1968 in F100/350's.

1965/67 F100/350 352's came with MX Cruise-O-Matic (14 trans pan bolts).

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Right you are, never said it was stock, installed by previous owner!
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C6 (17 trans pan bolts) not available until 1968 in F100/350's.

1965/67 F100/350 352's came with MX Cruise-O-Matic (14 trans pan bolts).
Right you are, never said it was stock, installed by previous owner!
But you should have said it was installed by PO. Some members are unaware when the C6 was first offered in F100/350's.
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