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Old 08-17-2012, 11:01 AM
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What ever happened to the good old days, thicker body metal, simpler mechanics, lower but reliable power.

We really haven't come to far, I mean what does a 6.7 2012 powerstroke get for mileage?
How about a 1988 7.3 IDI diesel?

Not much difference at all.
I hope you're kidding.

What does a 7.3 IDI get for power? 190HP on a good day? How about emissions? Noise? Torque?

We've come an extremely long way. If you told a guy in '88 that in 20 years diesels will be almost as quiet as a gasoline engine, have 400HP and in some cities effectively filter the air, he'd tell you that you were crazy. Actually I bet if you told that to a guy in '98 you'd get the same response.
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Yeah, seriously. Diesels (at least in light trucks like ours) have come a LONG way. Compared to your '88 7.3L IDI, the 6.7 makes massively more power and does so quicker while still getting pretty decent mileage. At 400 hp and 800 ft-lbs of torque, the 6.7L makes over twice as much of each and with a much steeper and broader torque curve. Even with most of my driving being around town and without driving it like a grandma my average is till in the mid 15's. That's clearly not setting any records, but for moving a much heavier truck much faster down the road it's fantastic, especially for a still green engine. My buddy's '06 F150 with the bigger gas V8 gets worse mileage than I do in my much bigger and heavier (and more capable) Super Duty. Hell, my F250 today has the same "rated" capacity of your '88 F350 and a lot more real-world capacity than that.


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Dent removal is actually easier on aluminum than steel.
It better be easier, these things would get way more dents.
Why do you say that?
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:58 PM
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I, for one, really do wish Ford would put a small DI turbo diesel in a Fusion sized rear wheel drive sedan. The price wouldn't be much different than a Hybrid Fusion and long term maintenance would even out. With the environmental damage that the lithium ion battery manufacturing process does, the diesel would actually be better for the evironment. If Mercedes, VW, and Audi can make a diesel car that gets 40 MPG highway so can Ford. And I would buy one. As it stands now, we're looking at VW for our next car because it's much closer to what I, the customer, wants. If only VW were rear drive. Then there wouldn't even be a decision involved.
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I hope you're kidding.

What does a 7.3 IDI get for power? 190HP on a good day? How about emissions? Noise? Torque?

We've come an extremely long way. If you told a guy in '88 that in 20 years diesels will be almost as quiet as a gasoline engine, have 400HP and in some cities effectively filter the air, he'd tell you that you were crazy. Actually I bet if you told that to a guy in '98 you'd get the same response.

We're talking about 20+ years of evolution here.
And I was speaking mostly about mileage.
I'm not impressed with a new 400 hp diesel when you look at the complexity of it, and the cost.

I wonder how many trucks from the 6.0 - 6.7 era will come close to total mileage on the 7.3 idi - 7.3 powerstroke era... probably not many.
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We're getting pretty far off track guys, (myself included).
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To successfully throw a diesel into an f150, it would have to be in the 250- 300 hp area to not grenade transmissions from tourque.
That isn't impressive power by todays standards.
what?

the 04-08 F-150 4 speed transmission has been shown to handle 500 crank HP and almost 600 crank TQ quite easily. Tested and Warrantied by Roush as a matter of fact. I've seen guys run those transmission to 500 RWHP as daily drivers for yrs with no issues. Which is impressive considering the 04-08 F-150 has 80-100 HP loss in the drivetrain typically. 1 guy on another forum ran his stock trans behind a 700 HP GT500 5.4 4v motor for several months before going with a build trans

The 09+ 6 speed is that much stronger than it's venerable 4 speed sibling

a small 4/6 cylinder diesel with 300-350 HP and 500 TQ would be perfect in these trucks. They weigh about 6,000 lbs loaded out. More isn't necessarily better since they'd have traction issues. Costs wouldn't be too prohibative if mass produced. Probably on par with the EB if not just a tiny bit more.
The biggest factor in the F-150...or any other 1/2 ton ever getting a Diesel is EMISSIONS. The new Federal mandates just make it too hard...and cost prohibative to do the R&D, run the production, and deal with all the particulate crap.
Frankly Ford has no reason to waste their time and money in this endeavor. The Ecoboost is shaping up to be a real slam dunk across the board. It's in virtually every single vehicle they make, and the technology applications can be ported to all the other existing motors.

With the Feds ruining diesel, small turbo power is the new game changer. Ford just recognized that ahead of everyone else and is leaping forward. Just watch, Chevy/Dodge/Nissan/Toyota have their eyes glued to the Ecoboost and and are itching to put their replica into the market
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The biggst problem with diesel power is the perception that they're dirty. They are really clean these days. The Germans with their Blue-Tech diesel technology have some really strong, fuel efficient, and durable engines. I know of nobody that has a TDI Audi, TDI VW, or Blue-Tech Mercedes that is unhappy with them. Yes, the Feds have forced them to be more complicated and hurt their fuel economy with the DPF and Re-Gen cycles in the bigger trucks. But the cars are awsome. I'd love to have a TDI Fusion, especially if it were RWD.
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Gentlemen please, back on track. This isn't a gas v. diesel discussion.
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Why did Ford deny the whole aluminum skin thing....but then FTE sent me an e-mail acting as if the aluminum panels are a done deal? It was a few days back. Wonder if it has been purged from my msn yet...
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Why did Ford deny the whole aluminum skin thing....but then FTE sent me an e-mail acting as if the aluminum panels are a done deal? It was a few days back. Wonder if it has been purged from my msn yet...

Same thing here as well. Bottom line is simple, if Ford built everything from Aluminum and never told anyone and it did hold up fine and proved to be easily repairable, then no one would care.
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The super structures of Coast Guard and Naval ships are aluminum skinned with steel ribs. Light and easier to maintain.

The hood on my Expy was damaged a couple of years ago by my daughter's basketball hoop. The hood could not be repaired, it required a complete replacement. $1100.00 for the hood alone.

The repairs will kill any savings and will likely force the auto insurance industry to possibly raise rates due to the complexity of repair or the cost of replacing body panels. My personal opinion here.
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I had no interest in replacing any of my 7.3 SuperDuty's, except with another 7.3 from 99'-03'.

The EcoBoost was the 1st engine to actually capture my interest in a long time.

An Aluminum bodied F150 with EcoBoost, now that's a combination that would get me to buy a new truck, and that's something I wasn't going to do again!
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