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Old 07-23-2012, 12:31 AM
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FoMoCo (Holley) Carb question:

I felt really stupid looking for a Holley 4BBL carb for my '59 F-100 4WD truck (w/ 292). Well, today I was going through my garage looking for the water pump when I found one in the back of a cabinet with a tag on it "1959 Ford Truck". Well, I researched it some more and have determined it is 1957 - 1960 "Super Duty" carb that WILL work on my 292 (I am going to run a 4BBL intake from a 1964 292). I found alot on this carb in the factory shop manuals I have for my 11 yr old son's (his grandfather willed it to him) 1965 F-100 SB 2WD (more on this truck in some other post later)

Here is the tag info, engineering number and list:

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"FoMoCo Series: CLT; Type: 9AD; Date: H"

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"B9TE-9510T"

*List # : 2029

My biggest question I want answered is what the CFM is for this carb and does anyone have the brass throttle linkage (Fairly large in size, Has 3 holes with the middle one labled "TILT"). I accidentaly cracked mine.

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Old 07-23-2012, 06:31 AM
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If indeed it is a carb for a Super Duty engine, you might want to think twice. They were governor type carburetors. Someone had a thread a while back about what it took to convert one of these for use as a more typical application without governor.
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I felt really stupid looking for a Holley 4BBL carb for my '59 F-100 4WD truck (w/ 292). Well, today I was going through my garage looking for the water pump when I found one in the back of a cabinet with a tag on it "1959 Ford Truck". Well, I researched it some more and have determined it is 1957 - 1960 "Super Duty" carb that WILL work on my 292 (I am going to run a 4BBL intake from a 1964 292). I found alot on this carb in the factory shop manuals I have for my 11 yr old son's (his grandfather willed it to him) 1965 F-100 SB 2WD (more on this truck in some other post later)

Here is the tag info, engineering number and list:*The tag: "FoMoCo Series: CLT; Type: 9AD; Date: H"

*Engineering number: "B9TE-9510-T"
ID number: B9TE-9510-T = Ford part number: B9TE-9510-T .. 4V Holley Carburetor

9AD = Assembled the 4th (D) week of January (A) 1959 (9) / H = Assembly plant code.

Original applications: 1959 C & F1000, T850/950 all w/a 477 V8 engine.

1957/63 Ford Truck Parts Catalog / Text ~ Carb Section 95 / Parts list number: 27D

Pic of carb in parts catalog shows governor. Parts list 27D: B8TZ-9B505-A .. Throttle Operating Shaft Housing (Governor) Assy.
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C2TZ-9590-H (replaced B9T-9590-D) .. Master Carburetor Overhaul Kit / Obsolete

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 3 = 800-543-4959.

No Ford Dealer, no other obsolete parts vendor has any.
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C2TZ-9A586-H (replaced B9TZ-9A586-D) .. Carburetor Tune Up Kit / Obsolete

No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has either part number.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:22 AM
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If indeed it is a carb for a Super Duty engine, you might want to think twice. They were governor type carburetors. Someone had a thread a while back about what it took to convert one of these for use as a more typical application without governor.
I will see if I can find that thread. Thanks! This doesn't have the govenor on it but, again, the shop manual I have shows it to be a "Super Duty". Gonna try to get a couple of pics uploaded of it today to Photobucket... Thanks, NumberDummy! Now I just need the CFM. Awere these a very big CFM carb? (Bigger than, lets say, 700?)

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The carb...
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This is the truck it is going on...
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Not sure of the cfm for it but if it was intended for a 477, it might be a bit much for a 292! Are you modding the engine? Might be okay with the right work.
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Not sure of the cfm for it but if it was intended for a 477, it might be a bit much for a 292! Are you modding the engine? Might be okay with the right work.
No mods to the engine. UNLESS you consider dual "Rams Horn" exhaust manifolds (still trying to figure out how I want to run the pipes for that) and a 1964 4BBL intake instead of the 2BBL.

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Talking 477 CARB

I don't think you will like that carb on a 292. It is designed for a 477 cu.in. engine and is calibrated for such. You will find it to be very hard on fuel and hard to wean down. They are usually about 5-585 cfm. There is a linkage ball on the pass side of that carb that has to have a spring attatched or the throttle will not open. This is the link to the mechanical govenor that the super duty engines have, if this is left unconnected the carb will idle only. Do yourself a big favor and find a Edelbrock or Holley 600 cfm or less aftermarket carb and leave that old 477 carb on the shelf. The price of a carb kit for that old carb will buy you a good used carb off of E Bay , if you can find a kit. The old carbs like that one often had the throttle shaft bushings wore out and won't idle well or won't idle down slow enough.

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I don't think you will like that carb on a 292. It is designed for a 477 cu.in. engine and is calibrated for such. You will find it to be very hard on fuel and hard to wean down. They are usually about 5-585 cfm. There is a linkage ball on the pass side of that carb that has to have a spring attatched or the throttle will not open. This is the link to the mechanical govenor that the super duty engines have, if this is left unconnected the carb will idle only. Do yourself a big favor and find a Edelbrock or Holley 600 cfm or less aftermarket carb and leave that old 477 carb on the shelf. The price of a carb kit for that old carb will buy you a good used carb off of E Bay , if you can find a kit. The old carbs like that one often had the throttle shaft bushings wore out and won't idle well or won't idle down slow enough.

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Thanks, Hotwrench! I was looking at the govenor link on the right side and had determined a spring would do just that. The throttle shaft has no excesive play in it and moves freely.

I've been looking for a 600 CFM Holley for it but no luck. I have the remains of several Holley 4BBL carbs but not enough to build a good working one. I also have a carter AFB Comp. sitting on the shelf but it's a 750 CFM carb and would DROWN my little engine. I may just throw the original 2BBL back on it for now. I've been building this truck on a very limited budget, thus the reason it has taken me over 6 yrs to get it to the point it is now. (My wife says I'll have it ready for hunting season... Yeah, right) Just picked up the front fender wells from powder coat yesterday and dropped off the radiator core support...
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imho you should run the 2brl or get a new aftermarket 500 cfm carb. i have just recently went through this with my 60. a po had installed a holley 4brl and it was time for a rebuild. turns out there were some pieces missing from the secondaries and the front bowl had four helicoils in it that had pulled out. this was also a one year carb (1958) that holley no longer had parts for. had the same problem with the autolite 4100 in my 66 galaxie. finding a rebuild kit for these old carbs isnt to hard, finding other parts for them is a pita. the plugs on top of the secondairy squirters of the autolite were junk. try to find an aluminum plug thats 1/16 in thick and 5/16 across. ended up taking plugs out of a junk holley to install in the autolite, then j b welded them in. the next time, there wont be a rebuild.
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Thanks all! I gonna grab the 2BBL carb and intake off the shelf tomorrow (they're in storage in my dad's barn) as well as the fuel pump, and distributor. I need to manufacture a "blank out" plate for the crank case side draft because I am putting in a valley pan from a '64 that has the top draft vent in it (less oil getting sucked out of the crank case that way).
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By the way, I sure can't blame you for wanting to trun a vintage lloking carb like that! They are pretty cool! Just not practical though.
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By the way, I sure can't blame you for wanting to trun a vintage lloking carb like that! They are pretty cool! Just not practical though.
I set it on the engine and then set the air cleaner on it... Looks pretty cool!
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That's all you need, it dosen't ever have to run ! LOL!!

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