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Old 06-16-2012, 12:11 AM
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It could be worse when towing.... other than you may get enough very high demand cycles to keep the moisture under check.

there's a video on U-tube (which i cannot currently find), and it shows a guy driving about 65mph down the road and you catch a quick glimps of his boost guage on the pillar. the road looked very flat and the boost guage clearly showed boost.

here's one, but not the one i'm looking for (get ready to jam!)
Ecoboost mileage with boost psi - YouTube


So i'm thinking, that you are pretty much always in the turbos at highway speed, thus you are heating up all this humid air, and the cooler does it's thing, and the moisture drops out of the air and condenses in the bottom of the cooler.

in the winter, the air can't hold much moisture to begin with, so the problem all but disappears, or so i would bet.

maybe i'm all wet, but this is how i'm seeing it.
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Not sure, meborder, maybe you are right.
My thinking was just that with a trailer, the engine is at high load at all times, but maybe that does not matter.
You are of course correct that the cold air can't hold much moisture. Dang, this for sure is not a very simple issue .... and I hope I'll never experience it.
Just trying to figure out how to avoid it. If I can do that, I'll be all set.
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Flixden,

I will give you an update on my experience. Since the initial episode i had three additional times when i experienced loss of power. The concerning thing is the last time I had not been traveling at a continuous speed but actually accelerating up a hill after coming to a complete stop. That time it had nothing to do with humidity or speed as it was warm (89 F) and this was in the middle of Montana where humidity rarely gets above 30%. Also My truck has now been into the dealer 4 times since the end of April as it keeps throwing the same code (p0420) and the check engine light keeps coming on. I just got my truck back again last Friday and Tuesday the light came back on. Very frustrating now. I have also noticed what I feel is more soot buildup around the end of the tailpipe. I have included a link describing the P0420 code and I will keep you updated as to what happens.

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P0420 Error Code: Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)
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Mitch, that sounds frustrating. Yes, please keep us updated. I hope for you that they can fix it, and fix it soon.
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My truck has less than 700 miles and the inside of tailpipe is completely coated with black soot. Doesn't seem any different then what I saw with my supercharged Corvette or twin turbo LSx.
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a friend of mine works at a Ford dealership and one of the salesman has an eco boost and he had the loss of power thing happen to him a couple of times while driving in a hard downpour. My friend also has an ecoboost and in the 4000 miles he's had it he's had no problems yet.
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Not to worry ford will have it figured out just shortly after u go out of warranty, been there done that, never buy first year of new product, I will be waiting until at least the fourth year of real world results
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Not to worry ford will have it figured out just shortly after u go out of warranty, been there done that, never buy first year of new product, I will be waiting until at least the fourth year of real world results
I hear you, I was dead set on giving the ecoboost a try on my next truck, but I think now I'll go with the 5.0l. It seems like those have less issues than the eco.
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I hear you, I was dead set on giving the ecoboost a try on my next truck, but I think now I'll go with the 5.0l. It seems like those have less issues than the eco.
I am with u on this have only heard of one issue on the 5.0 something to do with the timing chains not sure if it is much of an issue??
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I am with u on this have only heard of one issue on the 5.0 something to do with the timing chains not sure if it is much of an issue??
There are more. You're just not looking hard enough.
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There are more. You're just not looking hard enough.
I haven't looked much lately as I am not in the market just yet and I will be looking outside ford when I am, what have u seen on the 5.0 anything serious??
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I haven't looked much lately as I am not in the market just yet and I will be looking outside ford when I am, what have u seen on the 5.0 anything serious??
It's bad. Very bad.
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Everyone is trying hard to find issues with the Eco, few are suceeding, I have close to 10,000 miles on my 2012 and it as been good. I doubt that the 5.0 will not have some issues at some point also, it took some time before the 5.4 cam phasers, sparkplug issues started to show up on the net.

I think is what is going on with the condensation is really no different then what a air compressor encounters, when you compress air, it becomes warm (turbos) when you cool it down the water condenses, (Intercooler)
The intercooler has a design flaw that allows the condensation to collect in the bottom and when conditions are right some of the water gets ingested into the engine and causes a missfire, water don't burn, I would think that they should be able to come up with a add on drain to the intercooler that corrects the issue, probably already are testing it but it cannot be released until durability and emmisions are confirmed.
Or they can lower the boost, reduce the air temp change through the intercooler and fix it with software but that will cost us power,
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Or they can lower the boost, reduce the air temp change through the intercooler and fix it with software but that will cost us power,
Yeah, that would be a bandaid, and a bad one. That could be seen as false advertisement, as the truck now does not develop the power they said it would, right?
The problem is that it sounds like the current TSB does exactly that. I wonder if newly shipped trucks will have that bracket installed or not .....
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More discussion, and links on page two to patents seeking to fix this. Note reference to GM and VW, so this is not a "Ford only" problem.

Intercooler condensation - Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans

Condensed water in intercooler piping - TDIClub Forums

Probably answer is some kind of reservoir or catch can that purges itself periodically.
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